BSOD on cold boot?

#1
New build I put together on the cheap. Seemed to be working fine until I shut down and let it sit overnight. The next morning started getting BSOD usually right after booting into windows.

If I reboot a few times it will start working fine again. It will even hibernate and wake ok, but if I shutdown overnight it seems to always have issues. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


View attachment W7F_07-12-2012.zip
 


usasma

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#2
Only 101 updates since SP1 - most systems have 130 to 140. Please visit Windows Update and get ALL available updates.

You have a wireless USB network device. Win7 doesn't like these devices, especially with older (Vista era) drivers. Here's my rant about these devices:
I do not recommend using wireless USB devices. Especially in Win7 systems.
These wireless USB devices have many issues with Win7 - and using Vista drivers with them is almost sure to cause a BSOD.
Should you want to keep using these devices, be sure to have Win7 drivers - DO NOT use Vista drivers!!!
An installable wireless PCI/PCIe card that's plugged into your motherboard is much more robust, reliable, and powerful.
We've seen a number of BSOD issues with SSD's. Here's the information that I've compiled so far:
There's not a whole bunch available to test SSD's. The "easiest" test is to remove the SSD, install a platter-based hard drive, install Windows and test for stability that way.

Here's some suggestions:
- Update the SSD's firmware to the latest available version (VERY IMPORTANT!!!)
- Update the motherboard controllers drivers to the latest available version from the controller manufacturer (NOT the mobo manufacturer unless you can't find any on the controller manufacturer's website)
- Slow the memory (RAM) down to the next slower speed (I've only seen one person who claimed that this worked for them).
- Use any manufacturer's utilities that you may have. If you don't have any, then try this free one (I haven't used it myself): Crystal Dew World
- Update chipset and storage controller drivers to the latest available from the manufacturer of the device (not the manufacturer of the motherboard). Be sure to update ALL controllers on the motherboard!
....NOTE: Recently (Nov 2011) we had BSOD issues with the Marvell 91xx controller and an SSD. You may have to switch controllers also.
- Replace the SSD with a platter based hard drive and see if that stops the BSOD's. If it does, then it's likely that there's a problem with the SSD OR an incompatibility with your system.
It's my opinion that SSD's aren't reliable enough (with current hardware) to be used on a system that needs to work reliably. Until I see reliability I will not recommend, nor will I use, SSD's for critical applications.
06 Dec 2011 - This post tends to confirm issues with certain SSD chipsets and certain controllers - [SOLVED] cant find the cause of BSOD F4 - Tech Support Forum
29 May 2012 - The frequency of BSOD's with SSD's seems to have been decreasing over the last several months. It may be approaching time to re-evaluate my stand on their suitability for use in production systems.
If these suggestions don't help, please start with these free diagnostics: Hardware Diagnostics

Please update these older drivers. Links are included to assist in looking up the source of the drivers. If unable to find an update, please remove (un-install) the program responsible for that driver. DO NOT manually delete/rename the driver as it may make the system unbootable! :

netr7364.sys Thu Mar 12 23:13:08 2009 (49B9CF44)
Ralink RT2501/RT2573/T2601/RT2671 Wireless Adapter (you may have a different manufacturer)
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=netr7364.sys



Analysis:
The following is for informational purposes only.
Code:
[font=lucida console]**************************Fri Dec  7 17:25:41.651 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120712-4758-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:25.573[/B]
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for win32k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for win32k.sys
Probably caused by :[B]win32k.sys ( win32k+87c30 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]3B, {c0000005, fffff80002dac617, fffff88002da2380, 0}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000003B]SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 00000000c0000005, Exception code that caused the bugcheck
Arg2: fffff80002dac617, Address of the instruction which caused the bugcheck
Arg3: fffff88002da2380, Address of the context record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg4: 0000000000000000, zero.
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x3B
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  WIN7_DRIVER_FAULT
PROCESS_NAME: [B]explorer.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x3B_win32k+87c30[/B]
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
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Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120512-5616-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7600 MP (2 procs) Free x64
[B][COLOR=RED]Missing Windows 7 Service Pack 1[/COLOR][/B]
Built by: [B]7600[/B].17118.amd64fre.win7_gdr.120830-0334
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:08:20.885[/B]
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for Ntfs.sys
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt!RtlRealSuccessor+f )[/B]
BugCheck [B]24, {1904fb, fffff8800282c1a8, fffff8800282ba10, fffff80002c2ce1b}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x00000024]NTFS_FILE_SYSTEM (24)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 00000000001904fb
Arg2: fffff8800282c1a8
Arg3: fffff8800282ba10
Arg4: fffff80002c2ce1b
PROCESS_NAME: [B]System[/B]
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x24
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  WIN7_DRIVER_FAULT
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x24_nt!RtlRealSuccessor+f[/B]
CPUID:        "Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G540 @ 2.50GHz"
MaxSpeed:     2500
CurrentSpeed: [B]2494[/B]
  BIOS Version                  A41F1026
  BIOS Release Date             05/17/2011
  Manufacturer                  To be filled by O.E.M.
  Product Name                  To be filled by O.E.M.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 14:13:06.378 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-6786-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:42.300[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+4ac3 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]1A, {41284, 65d7001, a3, fffff70001080000}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000001A]MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000041284, A PTE or the working set list is corrupt.
Arg2: 00000000065d7001
Arg3: 00000000000000a3
Arg4: fffff70001080000
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_41284
PROCESS_NAME: [B]MsMpEng.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x1a_41284_nt!_??_::FNODOBFM::_string_+4ac3[/B]
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 14:12:04.359 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-7722-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:38.405[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+72d6 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]19, {22, 200000000000000, 0, 0}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x00000019]BAD_POOL_HEADER (19)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000000022, 
Arg2: 0200000000000000
Arg3: 0000000000000000
Arg4: 0000000000000000
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x19_22
PROCESS_NAME: [B]System[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x19_22_nt!_??_::FNODOBFM::_string_+72d6[/B]
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 14:11:04.274 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-6770-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:14.320[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt!CmpAllocateKeyControlBlock+72 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]3B, {c0000005, fffff80002f61382, fffff880079f6a20, 0}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000003B]SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 00000000c0000005, Exception code that caused the bugcheck
Arg2: fffff80002f61382, Address of the instruction which caused the bugcheck
Arg3: fffff880079f6a20, Address of the context record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg4: 0000000000000000, zero.
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x3B
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  WIN7_DRIVER_FAULT
PROCESS_NAME: [B]svchost.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x3B_nt!CmpAllocateKeyControlBlock+72[/B]
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 14:05:29.488 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-6614-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:07.534[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+29ab1 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]1A, {5002, fffff780c0000000, 3a23, 2003a24fffffffe}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000001A]MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000005002, The subtype of the bugcheck.
Arg2: fffff780c0000000
Arg3: 0000000000003a23
Arg4: 02003a24fffffffe
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_5002
PROCESS_NAME: [B]MsMpEng.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x1a_5002_nt!_??_::FNODOBFM::_string_+29ab1[/B]
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 13:51:17.008 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-6879-01.dmp]
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-12932-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:15.054[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+35054 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]1A, {41790, fffffa800146c700, ffff, 0}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000001A]MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000041790, A page table page has been corrupted. On a 64 bit OS, parameter 2
    contains the address of the PFN for the corrupted page table page.
    On a 32 bit OS, parameter 2 contains a pointer to the number of used
    PTEs, and parameter 3 contains the number of used PTEs.
Arg2: fffffa800146c700
Arg3: 000000000000ffff
Arg4: 0000000000000000
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_41790
PROCESS_NAME: [B]MsMpEng.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x1a_41790_nt!_??_::FNODOBFM::_string_+35054[/B]
CPUID:        "Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G540 @ 2.50GHz"
MaxSpeed:     2500
CurrentSpeed: [B]2494[/B]
  BIOS Version                  A41F1026
  BIOS Release Date             05/17/2011
  Manufacturer                  To be filled by O.E.M.
  Product Name                  To be filled by O.E.M.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 13:49:16.503 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-12760-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:42.549[/B]
Probably caused by :[B]ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+29ab1 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]1A, {5002, fffff780c0000000, 2cc3, 2002cc2fffffffe}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000001A]MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000005002, The subtype of the bugcheck.
Arg2: fffff780c0000000
Arg3: 0000000000002cc3
Arg4: 02002cc2fffffffe
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_5002
PROCESS_NAME: [B]chrome.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x1a_5002_nt!_??_::FNODOBFM::_string_+29ab1[/B]
CPUID:        "Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G540 @ 2.50GHz"
MaxSpeed:     2500
CurrentSpeed: [B]2494[/B]
  BIOS Version                  A41F1026
  BIOS Release Date             05/17/2011
  Manufacturer                  To be filled by O.E.M.
  Product Name                  To be filled by O.E.M.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 13:30:19.273 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\John\_jcgriff2_\dbug\__Kernel__\120412-14929-01.dmp]
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7601 (Service Pack 1) MP (2 procs) Free x64
Built by: [B]7601[/B].17944.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333
System Uptime:[B]0 days 0:00:15.319[/B]
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for cdd.dll
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for win32k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for win32k.sys
Probably caused by :[B]dxgkrnl.sys ( dxgkrnl!AddModeToUnionList+156 )[/B]
BugCheck [B]1A, {41284, fffff8a003328001, 4a83, fffff781c0000000}[/B]
BugCheck Info: [url=http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000001A]MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)[/url]
Arguments: 
Arg1: 0000000000041284, A PTE or the working set list is corrupt.
Arg2: fffff8a003328001
Arg3: 0000000000004a83
Arg4: fffff781c0000000
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_41284
PROCESS_NAME: [B]csrss.exe[/B]
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: [B]X64_0x1a_41284_dxgkrnl!AddModeToUnionList+156[/B]
CPUID:        "Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G540 @ 2.50GHz"
MaxSpeed:     2500
CurrentSpeed: [B]2494[/B]
  BIOS Version                  A41F1026
  BIOS Release Date             05/17/2011
  Manufacturer                  To be filled by O.E.M.
  Product Name                  To be filled by O.E.M.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
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3rd Party Drivers:
The following is for information purposes only.
Any drivers in red should be updated or removed from your system. And should have been discussed in the body of my post.
Code:
[font=lucida console]**************************Fri Dec  7 17:25:41.651 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
[COLOR=RED][B]netr7364.sys                Thu Mar 12 23:13:08 2009 (49B9CF44)[/B][/COLOR]
intelppm.sys                Mon Jul 13 19:19:25 2009 (4A5BC0FD)
amdxata.sys                 Fri Mar 19 12:18:18 2010 (4BA3A3CA)
Rt64win7.sys                Fri Sep  3 01:58:32 2010 (4C808E88)
RTKVHD64.sys                Fri Sep  3 04:02:27 2010 (4C80AB93)
iaStor.sys                  Mon Sep 13 21:23:32 2010 (4C8ECE94)
IntcDAud.sys                Fri Oct 15 04:28:17 2010 (4CB810A1)
igdkmd64.sys                Fri Apr 15 14:08:20 2011 (4DA88994)
HECIx64.sys                 Mon Jul  2 18:14:58 2012 (4FF21D62)
MpFilter.sys                Thu Aug 23 19:03:14 2012 (5036B6B2)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Wed Dec  5 17:13:36.730 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
netr7364.sys                Thu Oct  1 03:34:56 2009 (4AC45BA0)
IntcDAud.sys                Tue Jun 19 10:40:51 2012 (4FE08F73)
igdkmd64.sys                Wed Oct 17 15:12:29 2012 (507F031D)
Rt64win7.sys                Thu Oct 25 05:20:09 2012 (50890449)
RTKVHD64.sys                Tue Nov  6 05:06:41 2012 (5098E131)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue Dec  4 14:13:06.378 2012 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
iaStor.sys                  Wed Jan 12 20:50:12 2011 (4D2E5A54)
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http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=netr7364.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=intelppm.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=amdxata.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=Rt64win7.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=iaStor.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=IntcDAud.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=igdkmd64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=HECIx64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=MpFilter.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=netr7364.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=IntcDAud.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=igdkmd64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=Rt64win7.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=iaStor.sys
 


#3
Thanks for the quick reply. I will look into it this weekend.
 


#4
Well, updating the driver for the wireless USB device has appeared to solve my problem for now. Only time will tell.

-Thanks
 


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