new windows 11 biased

bochane

Excellent Member
My thoughts
When your computer has been hacked and taken over, when it is too late, you know and have to believe,
security is pro active!

Sorry, I could not resist reading some of the messages above.
 

IrvSp

Extraordinary Member
I wouldn't think MS did this so you have to buy a new PC. After all, who 'makes out' when you buy a new PC? MS for the new license (may not be as much as you think with a vendor license agreement) or the PC vendor? It is all about tightening up security it seems.

They also have now it seems relaxed the TPM 2.0 requirement. According to this page, Does Windows 11 require TPM 2.0? We have good news and bad news , at least.

Not sure I'd want to do that though.
 

davehc

Essential Member
Premium Supporter
Agree with your comment. However, Microsoft do have large shares in a couple of computer manufacturers. I am not suggesting, in this context, that it is their reason for the so called security restrictions, but it certainly adds an attractive touch for them
 

IrvSp

Extraordinary Member
Not sure about MS's ability to make significant money from forcing users to buy new PC's? First, probably and PC made in the last 4 or 5 years can be upgraded (unless minimally configured). Next, the big companies sell a lot of computers every year, how many more will this force to be bought?

Also, this is the list of MS's Investments, Microsoft, MSFT, Investor Relations, Stock, Stock Split, Stock Price Look up, Investment Calculator, and I quickly scrolled the list, didn't seen any large PC make, i.e. Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. I did see Best Buy, so yes, the sales of PC could go up there, but how much will that make in overall profit over a normal QTR? Unknown, but I'd not suspect a PC sale, no matter how many more to be more than a 'blip' vs. other items they sell.

Me personally, well, I am in the market for 2 PC's, one 8 years old the other 9. Is this because of W11? Nope, but both PC's are exhibiting problems. Mine is now a SLOW boot (with an SSD no less, 3 minutes and was 20 seconds or less). It happened after I tested a new monitor that used HDMI instead of Display Port connection to the video card. All the tricks I know, such as deleting and reinstalled the video driver (I did put the old monitor back the the problem started) and a lot of other things, including a backup and it doesn't change. Did some debug on the boot process and it tried to read a file off the SSD a few times, fails, waits again and eventually loads and boots... this always takes 3 or 4 tries followed by a timeout, and once read in, boots. SSD is NOT failing, according to the MFG's utility. Might be the PSU though or something else... Once up, works fine, and shuts down fast. Oh well, it is time for a new one.

Wife's PC, a few months ago it would not completely shutdown. Power light stays on. Before that, her USB port (3.0) slowed down to 2.0 speeds... suspect a chip failure, and I replaced it with a PCI card (3.0) and it still did 2.0 speed (that card works fine in my PC). Odd part, sometimes it did shutdown though. Event Viewer did not show an incomplete shutdown (and CHKDSK didn't run on boot) about 95% of the time either.

I was going to replace her PC before, but magically, somehow, about 3 weeks ago the problem went away? I had searched for this problem when it started and found no hits on the web. Sure it was a driver problem though. Unfortunately, I don't know what fixed it? Did get fixed with an MS Update probably, but no way to be sure since some times if did shutdown completely, so I don't really know the day it was fixed?

So I'm in the market for 2 PC's, W11 didn't force me to get them, but it was an incentive. I'm sure I'm not alone like this... and again, MS isn't going get a ton on money. Any PC sold with W10 will pay MS some $'s. MS's money engine is Office, not the OS.
 

davehc

Essential Member
Premium Supporter
Ok. I am corrected. Thanks for the detailed info.
First, probably and PC made in the last 4 or 5 years can be upgraded (unless minimally configured).

Unfortunately, a large percentage of home users , I am one, only use laptops.
On my income I, unlike your good self, am unable to budget for a new computer whilst the old ones chug along.
 

davehc

Essential Member
Premium Supporter
i talked to my son, who once worked for Dell. He hunted and came up with this:


Investigation will show MS interests in other computer makers.
 

snodgrass

New Member
Most computers in the last 5 years should work fine or people can buy a cheap $200 computer. It runs well on low end hardware.
Correct, almost all. I have an HP laptop that is less than 5 years old and cost me a lot more than$200 that will not run Windows 11 due to compatibility issue.
 

Neemobeer

Cyber Security Engineer
Staff member
I have it running on a cheap $200 HP. It should tell you what the compatibility issue is. Often times TPM can be adjusted or partition scheme switched, secure boot enabled etc.

CPU can sometimes be replaced with a supported one. Have to look up the socket type and what is supported for said socket.
 

dustymars

Member
That’s nice; my Dell laptop is 2.4 years old and I learn it will not support Windows 11. Marketing strategy like that is in line with Communist China. Hum, is Windows 11 real?
 

Neemobeer

Cyber Security Engineer
Staff member
I find that hard to believe. Are you sure you don't just need to change some settings? What is the model?
 

dustymars

Member
It is what it says. A check says my CPU not up to snuff. Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552. Typical incompetent software "engineering." Not interested in Win 11 anyway.

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dustymars

Member
Actually my Dell laptop was delivered to me on 24 May 2018, 3 years ago. It has an Intel Celeron N3060 processor. Not sure why it is not worthy of Win 11; but, maybe my next laptop will be an Apple. Never liked Apple, but maybe it is time for a change.
 
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dustymars

Member
I would say it's because of the Celeron. Those are way underpowered.
I had nothing to say when I bought it. From the ;list of processors it seems as though each Chinaman putting Dell pcs together selects their choice in chips. That's okay; I do not use it for porn, important stuff ya know. It cranks out 5th order orbital equations to my satisfaction anyway, so no sweat.
 

davehc

Essential Member
Premium Supporter
"it seems as though each Chinaman putting Dell pcs together selects their choice in chips."
I own and maintains several Dells.
Sorry, but in their limited defence, it looks like most computers come from that source:eek::

Quote:
Many people, and understandably so, believe that Dell, HP, Toshiba, Apple or Acer make their own laptops. This actually is not true. In fact, they don’t even design them in most cases. There are three main Chinese ODM (Original Design Manufacturers) manufacturers and one smaller manufacturer that design and make them for all five.

Compal Electronics Inc, based in Taipei, Taiwan, designs and manufacturers laptops for Dell, Toshiba, HP (Hewlett-Packard) and Acer. They currently manufacture 45% of all Acer’s shipped laptops. 50% of Dell’s outsourced notebooks come from Compal. In June they recorded sales of $43 Billion according to their posted sales reports.



Quanta Computer is the world’s largest designer and manufacturer of notebooks. Quanta is headquartered in Taiwan, with factories in several continents. 25% of all Acer notebooks are made by Quanta. If you look on their notebook product page, you may recognize the basic design.
 
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orlbuckeye

Extraordinary Member
"it seems as though each Chinaman putting Dell pcs together selects their choice in chips."
I own and maintains several Dells.
Sorry, but in their limited defence, it looks like most computers come from that source:eek::

Quote:
Many people, and understandably so, believe that Dell, HP, Toshiba, Apple or Acer make their own laptops. This actually is not true. In fact, they don’t even design them in most cases. There are three main Chinese ODM (Original Design Manufacturers) manufacturers and one smaller manufacturer that design and make them for all five.

Compal Electronics Inc, based in Taipei, Taiwan, designs and manufacturers laptops for Dell, Toshiba, HP (Hewlett-Packard) and Acer. They currently manufacture 45% of all Acer’s shipped laptops. 50% of Dell’s outsourced notebooks come from Compal. In June they recorded sales of $43 Billion according to their posted sales reports.



Quanta Computer is the world’s largest designer and manufacturer of notebooks. Quanta is headquartered in Taiwan, with factories in several continents. 25% of all Acer notebooks are made by Quanta. If you look on their notebook product page, you may recognize the basic design.
There are actually more then 3 ODM's. You forgot Foxconn (Apple).

 
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