No Start Menu Folder?

#1
In XP, the All Users directory (as well as each individual profile) under Documents and Settings contains a Start Menu folder. What is the Windows 7 equivalent?
 


reghakr

Essential Member
#2
It's now located under C:\Users\your name\Start Menu

But Windows gives you an access denied message when trying to click on it.

I've solved this problem by downloading an alternate open source Windows Explorer Replacement called Surf.

It's not your typical Windows Explorer replacement, but allows you to get into areas that Microsoft prevents. I've added folder and Start menu items using this program as well and modified the Send To folder also.

It can be downloaded here:
SurF - Free, Open Source File Manager for Windows 7, Vista and XP
 


#3
Thanks for the info, reghakr. I'm having fun testing this beta version, but I hate to think of the complications that will arise if we decide to roll out this OS where I work.

I now realize that the Start Menu folder is a "protected operating system file" and must be unhidden in Folder Options in the Control Panel. This is silly to me. Why would the Start Menu be considered a protected operating system file? :confused: And no admin access? What a joke! :mad:
 


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reghakr

Essential Member
#4
Don't know, but it was the same way in Vista.
 


#5
Actually, I now realize that in order to access the Start Menu folder for all users, you must navigate to C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu -- Here you can decide what shows up in the Start Menu, and access is not denied.

If this is not visible, select Show hidden files and folders in Folder Options.
 


#6
Yes it does, but it doesn't include the 'Pin to Start Menu' items or the shortcuts above 'All Programs'.

I would like to be able to add folders in the section above 'All Programs' to reduce the extent of what I've entered but also to group like applications together so as make it more manageable, i.e. a folder for Graphics, DVD Burning, Mapping etc.

Thinking about it - what I'm looking for can't be here as this location would list what is common to all users - there must be something located under Users.
 


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Zyxel

New Member
#7
Start Menu doesn't show

Hi im not sure if this is the right place to post...
But my start meny just poff in allprograms.. so i wonder how i can get it back...
its look like this and im from Sweden..im using windows 7 64 bit 7100

 


#8
It's now located under C:\Users\your name\Start Menu

But Windows gives you an access denied message when trying to click on it.

I've solved this problem by downloading an alternate open source Windows Explorer Replacement called Surf.

It's not your typical Windows Explorer replacement, but allows you to get into areas that Microsoft prevents. I've added folder and Start menu items using this program as well and modified the Send To folder also.

It can be downloaded here:
SurF - Free, Open Source File Manager for Windows 7, Vista and XP
Just FYI, you should know that all of those access denied messages are Microsoft's way of telling you that you're doing it wrong. Despite that, you can still open C:\Users\USER\Start Menu\Programs without a message, because it only limits opening the folder, not opening subfolders. It's denied because it's a fake folder, and they want you to use the real one, which is: C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

Does SurF modify the permissions of the folder, or just run as LocalSystem? Either way sounds fairly wrong to recommend to average users.
 


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nabucco

Honorable Member
#9
Surf dont change permissions. Really, if you for example clic on Documents and Settings -> all users -> start menu, then Surf opens Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu as can be seen in the tree that Surf shows.
 


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RAK

Extraordinary Member
#10
I now realize that the Start Menu folder is a "protected operating system file" and must be unhidden in Folder Options in the Control Panel. This is silly to me. Why would the Start Menu be considered a protected operating system file? And no admin access? What a joke! "

Well, it isn't, as you have found. The path you were given was incorrect. That was known as a "junction" folder.It is there for backward compatibility. Under normal dview defaults, it would not be visible. It is very unwise to gain permission rights to these folders. (Documents and Settings, for example, is another) But I see foxyshadis has given the correct location for the users Start menu.:: (C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs)
The common Start menu is under Programdata - Microsoft - Windows - Start Menu.
Both are accessible.
There is no requirement to change permissions.

Wightwalker.

On installation, I create new folders in the "Programdata" Start menu. I then go to the actual desktop andmove my start shortcuts into the folders, as required. I now keep a backup of both the above mentioned Start menus and copy them into any reinstallation

Here is an example of what I mean:

View attachment 5202 "
 


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nabucco

Honorable Member
#12
Yes, but this only open the user start menu folder. Many programs put the shortcuts in the All User Sart Menu folder.
 


#13
Use Autostart

I find it much easier to use a free program called Autostart to show and/or remove anything from startup.
 


#14
Yes, but this only open the user start menu folder. Many programs put the shortcuts in the All User Sart Menu folder.
You are absolutely correct.

I just mean each user can do the same. And of course we can open windows explorer and navigate there manually :

(as it has been discussed in this thread)

C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
 


#15
Solution to customizing the Start Menu in Windows 7

-Click "Start"
-Click "All Programs"
-Right click on an existing folder (some has it but some does not...Accessories folder will be file), but it doesn't matter which
-Click "Open all users"
If you didn't see an option for "open all users" then try another existing folder
-From there, you can navigate through the other folders

Good Luck!

-jenny
 


RobCr

Honorable Member
#16
Re: Solution to customizing the Start Menu in Windows 7

-Click "Start"
-Click "All Programs"
-Right click on an existing folder (some has it but some does not...Accessories folder will be file), but it doesn't matter which
-Click "Open all users"
If you didn't see an option for "open all users" then try another existing folder
-From there, you can navigate through the other folders

Good Luck!

-jenny
Well 'Junior Member Jenny', that was a pretty senior submission by you.
In fact it is brilliant.
Now I can organize my Start Menu, nearly as well as I could do with Classic Start Menu, in previous OS.
Thanks,
Rob
 


groucho

Senior Member
#17
The folder location in the above message is erroneous: the Start Menu folder is located in the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows folder (not C:\Program Data as above). Hope this helps.
 


#18
As reghackr correctly points out the Start menu is now in your Users folder and you will get an error message trying to access it directly.

However, if you open your start menu and right click on the "All programs" link at the bottom, you can OPEN your start menu folder. OPEN ALL USERS will get you the common folder.

What you discover doing this is that your personal folder is actually at c:\users\(YOU)\appdata\roaming\microsoft\windows\startmenu
Similarly the all users folder is actually at C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

The other paths are hard links provided for compatibility with older installers.
 


muymalestado

Well-Known Member
#19
Old thread maybe, but it helped me today - as to permissions another thread somewhere recommends getting "TakeOwnership". Search & download in moments. From then on the whole HDD is yours - if you want.
 


#20
Yes it does, but it doesn't include the 'Pin to Start Menu' items or the shortcuts above 'All Programs'.

I would like to be able to add folders in the section above 'All Programs' to reduce the extent of what I've entered but also to group like applications together so as make it more manageable, i.e. a folder for Graphics, DVD Burning, Mapping etc.

Thinking about it - what I'm looking for can't be here as this location would list what is common to all users - there must be something located under Users.
I finally found the path to the folder that contains the items that are pinned to the Start Menu in Windows 7, so I thought I would share.

C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\User Pinned\StartMenu
 


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