Should I say, Goodbye MSE

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  1. KCav

    KCav Senior Member

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    :confused: - My notebook suddenly became unresponsive. I looked in Task Manager and found 99% of the CPU cycles were being consumed by MSE.

    Should I say Goodbye to MSE? What would the replacement be?

    What If ? - I configured its real time features? How significant might that be?
     
  2. bassfisher6522

    bassfisher6522 Essential Member

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    Reboot and see what happens. Then update MSE to the current version and then check for definition updates. The next thing I would check for is malware and spyware on your system.




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  3. Drew

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    Add to that (implied), stay w/ MSE. May have been only a peak.

    This is in addition to what 'bass' said.

    Drew
     
  4. hiqasim

    hiqasim Banned

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    well MSE has deproved instead of improving with the passage of time. If you need free anti virus, I recomend avg free
     
  5. Drew

    Drew Banned

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    Where on Earth did you come to that conclusion?? ^o) While it is found ppl reporting problems w/ AVG, eliminate them & have better performance after switching from AVG to MSE.
     
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  6. hiqasim

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    well, it was just my opinion based on my experience. Last month my PC slowed down and I felt it is a virus attack. I scanned it again and again with MSE and it showed no virus. I installed avg and scanned and found 11 virus which were than successfully removed.
     
  7. Drew

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    Maybe your MSE had not been kept up to date, including its definitions. Rare, very rare, for anything to get by it. It & Malwarebytes & one is well fixed.
     
  8. Joe S

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    Did you submit the viruses to Virus Total and confirm if they were real or false positives? I gave up on AVG years ago and see it constantly mentioned as a problem in BSOD analysis. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.
    Joe
     
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  9. catilley1092

    catilley1092 Extraordinary Member

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    I wouldn't have AVG Internet Security (paid version), let alone their free crap. Newegg gave me a copy of it with a wireless router that I bought. A month or so, I guess, I installed it on XP Pro. It caused BSOD's, and consumed a lot of resources, as well as a lot of time updating.

    After a week, I removed it, and threw the install disk, box & license in the garbage, because that was the best place that I could find for it. I wouldn't give it away, because if it's not fit for me to use, I won't push it on anyone else. That's just the way I am.

    As far as MSE goes, although I only use it on XP Mode, it's very user friendly on XP, Vista & 7. It even has a control to limit your CPU usage during a scan. I left it at 50%. If only a virus scan were running, it may hit 35%.

    You have something else running besides MSE for your CPU to be hitting 99%. Open your Task Manager, you should see what's consuming your CPU. Is your RAM hitting the ceiling too?

    As far as what AVG "found" goes, they want you to think that you have something good. So that later (if they haven't already) they can try to sell you the full suite. Chances are, what AVG found was a false positive. My mother-in-law ran AVG (free) for at least 3 years, after removal, it took 2 complete sweeps with MSE & 2 with MBAM to clean up the garbage that AVG left behind.

    I left MSE on her PC, along with the free version of MBAM & SAS, it's been clean since. The ESET Online Scanner verified that.

    As far as AVG & Windows 7 goes, had you been on these forums when 7 was released in 2009, you'd have seen the countless posts were AVG was the root cause of BSOD's in Windows 7. Give it a little time, you'll see.

    It wouldn't harm at all to run a full scan with MBAM & the free ESET Online Scanner, that can be found here:

    ESET :: Get a FREE Online Virus Scan

    This scan works best when ran from IE, as it gives you more scanning options. Bookmark & run it at least once a month, if you're going to run a free AV.

    It sounds as though you're looking for a free AV. If by chance you don't like MSE, or AVG gives you trouble down the road (it will), Avast is among the best of the free ones. A new version was released this week.

    avast! Free Antivirus | Download Antivirus Protection Software

    150 million users can't be all wrong. Plus it's among the top ranked AV's on AV-Comparatives list. It's scanner is the fastest around. They also give you a 20 day trial of their Internet Security. If you hold out, oftentimes they'll offer it at $29.99 for 3 PC's. One function of it that I like is their sandbox browser. Even assuming that the computer it's ran on is malware infested, the SafeZone browser (Chrome) shields you while making a purchase, any keyloggers on the PC won't see what you're doing. And when you close the browser, the history goes with it.

    I'm thinking of installing it on 1 of my several installs just for that feature. Or I could install it on both XP modes & the other elsewhere.

    The bottom line is, AVG & Windows 7 together won't make for a happy marriage.

    Cat
     
  10. Drew

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    If someone refused to use MSE then, yes, certainly, Avast.

    Way back, before MSE, used it & gave it to clients, fine product & company.

    However, both can give issues... MSE doesn't.

    & what Joe said!

    Drew
     
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  11. catilley1092

    catilley1092 Extraordinary Member

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    Drew, I agree with you on that. If one wants a free AV that won't cause problems, MSE is the way to go. No BSOD's, no ads wanting to sell anything, it fairly automatic, even the updating. The user can leave the settings as is & be fine. Just choose a time of the day when you know you're going to be on the computer to do the auto scanning.

    I would still recommend that when using MSE, to scan with MBAM at least once a month, and SuperAntiSpyware is good for finding & deleting tracking & ad cookies. Neither uses resources unless scanning.

    If I were still using MSE as my primary protection, then I'd have MBAM Pro as a backup. I usually only have to give $13-$14 for a Lifetime version. It can be reinstalled onto another computer as long as it's uninstalled from the original. MSE is good antivirus, one just has to be a little more careful. Don't click onto banner ads, don't register for free laptops (it's a scam), stay away from porn sites, use common sense computing practices.

    Like I agreed with another member in another thread, if one managed money or wealth on the internet, then pay for protection. Usually those who manages wealth has a security consultant to advise on these sort of issues. But for the majority of us, that's not the case.

    Still, I feel that anyone who conducts a lot of online transactions (like I do) needs an Internet Security suite, not just an AV. I'm not wealthy, but I manage my bills on the internet, as well as do the bulk of my shopping. Being disabled, I can't run everywhere like I once could, and gas is so high that it just makes sense to shop at home.

    It's up to each user to determine their needs, as far as these things goes. I feel safer with paid protection that has a solid reputation behind it. ESET is among the leading providers of internet security in the world (as far as consumer use goes).

    AVG, I wouldn't trust it for anything, except to help fill the trash can.

    Cat
     
  12. Drew

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    Frankly, AVG, Norton, McAfee all get the same (bad) attitude from me, for many of the same reasons & it's always quick & easy to see countless others share & support the same bad attitude.

    Cat,

    "Just choose a time of the day when you know you're going to be on the computer to do the auto scanning"

    Actually it can be set to scan even if & when the machine may be in use or not; machine just needs to be Powered ON for Auto Scan to happen; asleep but, not Shut Down.

    Cheers,
    Drew
     
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  13. Stratman490

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    I ditched MSE after I got the "disappearing icons virus" it never found it, even after several full system scans, with fully up to date definitions. I tried Avast free, and it found it on the first scan. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I am sticking with Avast for now....
     
  14. Drew

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    Hey, that's ok... Avast is good. Before MSE, I swore by it, used it myself & gave it to clients.
     
  15. catilley1092

    catilley1092 Extraordinary Member

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    Avast is good. I'm considering purchasing it for Windows 8 CP, if the trial version runs OK. BTW, Avast is one of the few IS suites that works with Windows 8 CP at this time. ESET does too, but I want Avast for one option: It's "Safe Zone" browser (it's Google Chrome) works in a sandbox, isolating it from the rest of the OS.

    So if you like had a trojan, or other undetected virus, the SafeZone browser shields you from anything that's on your computer, & re-routes the traffic through their servers. When you close it, it auto deletes whatever you did while using it. A neat option, as well as their "boot time" scanner, the only AV/IS suite that I know of that has this.

    Being that the boot time scanner is running outside of the Windows environment, it has the chance to catch thing that it wouldn't during a regular scan. Even the free version has this, the 64 bit version also. In a dual or tri boot environment, or multiple partitions, it scans the entire PC, much faster than if a full scan were to be ran while running the OS.

    Drew, that's what I meant, the computer had to be powered on. You don't actually have to be using it, although you can use it while it silently scans the system. On both versions of XP Mode, I have it set to run a full scan weekly, and I make sure that it's opened (running) during that time, whether or not I'm actively using it.

    Cat
     
  16. Drew

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    I sorta thought you did mean it that way, Cat; was mostly, merely clarifying. Cool, your keen on buying Avast but, here's a thought... Since, there is free security native to Win8, why not just that whilst it (OS) is Beta & hold off w/ the Avast subscription til it's being used on a non-beta OS. Just a thought... Drew
     
  17. KCav

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    Progress report - at times Task Manager reported MSE was consuming excessive CPU cycles. It is likely that Registry corruption was a major contributor to this. I have made a fresh install of Windows 7 and my system is running well, not perfectly. I plan to reinstall MSE and hopefully I can find a better way to monitor system performance. I will cover this in another post. Please see my post, "What do about erros reported in Event Viewer."

    I am excited by the opportunity to perform applications that have recenty become available at a cost I can afford. I frequently install and uninstall software, and I think this messed up my Registry. Then I created a second User account, and that realy messed things up. I am looking for a more controlled way to try things out.

    I plan to schedule MSE to run a full scan every night. I'll limit CPU usage to 50% to prevent real time protection from slowing down reponse time. I am intrigued by catilley1092's statement , "use it in XP mode." I'm off to reinstall MSE, and I plan to pursue XP mode further, and also experiment with augmenting MSE with other protection, such as ESET.

    Thank you all for your very interesting replies.
     
  18. Drew

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    Ken,

    There's a couple things you've said I cannot leave unaddressed. (1) Installing & removing software & adding a User Acc't should not "mess up" the Registry. (2) I run MSE Full Scan every night & often I'm using the machine @ the time but, there is not any noticable "slow down" during its scan. (3) If looking for a "more controlled way to try things out", that is virtualization... Windows VPC, VMware, VirtualBox... if WVPC & XP Mode that needs Windows 7 Pro or higher. (4) 'experiment with augmenting MSE with other protection, such as ESET", NO, NO, NO!! One can never 'augment' one AV w/ another... never more than one @ a time! More than one AM can coexist but, never more than 1 AV nor more than one software firewall. Things should be ok following the rebuild & glad you are installing MSE. A good 'Best Practise' is to leave things in the Registry alone. Finally, you may well find this worth keeping as reference material, http://windows7forums.com/tweaks-guides-howto/74184-few-tips-potentially-useful-valuable-compilation.html

    Regards,
    Drew
     
  19. KCav

    KCav Senior Member

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    Drew - MSE is performing a Full scan on my machine right now. I am logged on to this Forum and have WordPad running. Task Manager reports CPU Usage is 47%, msseces.exe is 3%.:tongue_smile: Quite a difference from yesterday. :confused:

    Ken
     
  20. KCav

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    You mean I should not run Avst, ESET, or MSE at the same time, right?
    And I should not use McAffee, Norton, or AVG. .... I agree with Thee.

    How can I increase the level of protection provided by MSE against:
    1) trojan viruses
    2) tracking cookies
    3) theft of confidential financial information

    What if I clicked on Task Manager and saw "not responding." Shouldn't I run Virus Total or MBAM?

    What's wrong with running SuperAnti Spyware once a week to remove tracking cookies?

    Ken
     
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