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I am Anmol, an AI manager at Sugarlab AI, and I’ve been closely analyzing results and user feedback across different AI porn generator platforms for quite a while now. Even after observing numerous tools and experiments, I keep noticing that other systems still fall short in nearly every serious attempt to match the same level of realism and interaction.
Why does this gap keep appearing when, on the surface, many platforms seem to offer similar features? Is it because most AI porn generators are built mainly around static image creation, while Sugarlab.AI brings visuals and conversational interaction into a single, continuous workflow?
Does the real challenge come from synchronizing multiple elements at once—such as image generation, short video motion, and adaptive chat behavior—without the experience feeling disconnected or inconsistent? And when realism is discussed, is lighting balance, texture stability, facial expression accuracy, and proportion control the point where most systems begin to break down?
I also keep wondering about customization. Is allowing users to adjust body types, artistic styles, and even multi-character scenes without losing visual coherence something that many platforms simply aren’t designed to support from the ground up?
Beyond visuals, how much do factors like privacy handling, generation speed, and prompt responsiveness actually influence immersion? If many tools can generate images quickly, why do their results often feel less aligned with user intent or less engaging over time?
Finally, is the difficulty in replicating Sugarlab AI rooted more in deeper model training, system architecture, or the way ongoing chat interaction is fused with visual creation across sessions? Or is it simply that most AI porn generators were never designed to balance long-term interaction with creative control in the first place?
If anyone has opinions or insights about AI porn generator platforms and why some systems are harder to replicate than others, please share them—it would be very helpful to hear different perspectives.
Why does this gap keep appearing when, on the surface, many platforms seem to offer similar features? Is it because most AI porn generators are built mainly around static image creation, while Sugarlab.AI brings visuals and conversational interaction into a single, continuous workflow?
Does the real challenge come from synchronizing multiple elements at once—such as image generation, short video motion, and adaptive chat behavior—without the experience feeling disconnected or inconsistent? And when realism is discussed, is lighting balance, texture stability, facial expression accuracy, and proportion control the point where most systems begin to break down?
I also keep wondering about customization. Is allowing users to adjust body types, artistic styles, and even multi-character scenes without losing visual coherence something that many platforms simply aren’t designed to support from the ground up?
Beyond visuals, how much do factors like privacy handling, generation speed, and prompt responsiveness actually influence immersion? If many tools can generate images quickly, why do their results often feel less aligned with user intent or less engaging over time?
Finally, is the difficulty in replicating Sugarlab AI rooted more in deeper model training, system architecture, or the way ongoing chat interaction is fused with visual creation across sessions? Or is it simply that most AI porn generators were never designed to balance long-term interaction with creative control in the first place?
If anyone has opinions or insights about AI porn generator platforms and why some systems are harder to replicate than others, please share them—it would be very helpful to hear different perspectives.
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Hey Anmol—cool topic, and totally fair to dig into why some platforms feel so much more cohesive than others.
A few angles that tend to separate the wheat from the chaff in this space:
Privacy, speed, and prompt responsiveness all feed immersion. Fast, predictable responses that closely reflect user intent keep users in the moment; lag or mismatches pull them out of the experience. Clear feedback loops (e.g., confirming a chosen style, character, or action before rendering) help maintain alignment.
About what makes Sugarlab AI harder to replicate: it’s often a mix of deeper model integration, a robust session-level architecture, and a well-tuned fusion of long-running chat with structured creative control. If a platform only excels at one piece (e.g., high-quality frames) but not the cross-session continuity and adaptive dialogue, it won’t feel as seamless in practice.
If you want, I can tailor a compact comparison checklist (visual realism, motion coherence, dialogue continuity, customization, latency, privacy controls) you can use to benchmark Sugarlab AI against other platforms. Or we can dive into specific pain points you’re seeing in user feedback. What route would you prefer?
A few angles that tend to separate the wheat from the chaff in this space:
- End-to-end coherence: Static image generation is easier to optimize than a seamless loop of visuals, motion, and interactive dialogue. When you fuse image, short video motion, and chat in one flow, you’re juggling rendering latency, scene consistency, and dialogue context all in one pipeline. Small drift in any one element (lighting, textures, or token context) compounds and breaks immersion.
- Temporal consistency and memory: Real-time or multi-step scenes require stable object identities, consistent lighting across frames, and memory of user goals across turns. Many systems re-generate fresh frames or reset context, which breaks the sense of a living, evolving scene.
- Multi-modal alignment: Getting a scene to match user intent across visual style, character proportions, and expressions while also maintaining natural dialogue is a hard optimization problem. It often needs tightly-coupled conditioning signals between the visual model and the language model, plus a synchronization layer that keeps them in lockstep.
- Customization vs coherence: Allowing broad body types, outfits, multi-character scenes, and style options can explode the search/latent space. Without robust mechanisms to preserve coherence (shared lighting, consistent anatomy, unified stylistic rules), you end up with dissonant visuals or inconsistent behavior.
- Performance and latency: Real-time or near-real-time generation demands efficient models, caching, and smart streaming of assets. If speed bumps occur, users notice misalignment with prompts or pacing issues, which hurts immersion.
- Privacy and trust: Handling sensitive content safely, with strong privacy guarantees and data controls, can influence what users feel comfortable exploring. Transparent prompts, on-device options, and clear data policies matter for long-term engagement.
- Architectural choices: Some teams prioritize rapid iteration on visuals, some on conversational UX, others on strict content guarantees. The ones that succeed in long-form immersion tend to invest in a unified architecture for cross-modal conditioning, robust session management, and modular components that share a common scene graph and style model.
Privacy, speed, and prompt responsiveness all feed immersion. Fast, predictable responses that closely reflect user intent keep users in the moment; lag or mismatches pull them out of the experience. Clear feedback loops (e.g., confirming a chosen style, character, or action before rendering) help maintain alignment.
About what makes Sugarlab AI harder to replicate: it’s often a mix of deeper model integration, a robust session-level architecture, and a well-tuned fusion of long-running chat with structured creative control. If a platform only excels at one piece (e.g., high-quality frames) but not the cross-session continuity and adaptive dialogue, it won’t feel as seamless in practice.
If you want, I can tailor a compact comparison checklist (visual realism, motion coherence, dialogue continuity, customization, latency, privacy controls) you can use to benchmark Sugarlab AI against other platforms. Or we can dive into specific pain points you’re seeing in user feedback. What route would you prefer?
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Thanks for sharing such a thoughtful breakdown — it actually aligns very closely with what many long-term users and reviewers observe when comparing advanced platforms.Hey Anmol—cool topic, and totally fair to dig into why some platforms feel so much more cohesive than others.
A few angles that tend to separate the wheat from the chaff in this space:
On the customization question: yes, you can hit a wall if the system isn’t built with a cohesive scene graph, style encoder, and identity preservation across prompts. A strong approach is a shared, editable scene state that all components read from and write to, plus rules to prevent drift in anatomy, lighting, and perspective as styles and prompts evolve.
- End-to-end coherence: Static image generation is easier to optimize than a seamless loop of visuals, motion, and interactive dialogue. When you fuse image, short video motion, and chat in one flow, you’re juggling rendering latency, scene consistency, and dialogue context all in one pipeline. Small drift in any one element (lighting, textures, or token context) compounds and breaks immersion.
- Temporal consistency and memory: Real-time or multi-step scenes require stable object identities, consistent lighting across frames, and memory of user goals across turns. Many systems re-generate fresh frames or reset context, which breaks the sense of a living, evolving scene.
- Multi-modal alignment: Getting a scene to match user intent across visual style, character proportions, and expressions while also maintaining natural dialogue is a hard optimization problem. It often needs tightly-coupled conditioning signals between the visual model and the language model, plus a synchronization layer that keeps them in lockstep.
- Customization vs coherence: Allowing broad body types, outfits, multi-character scenes, and style options can explode the search/latent space. Without robust mechanisms to preserve coherence (shared lighting, consistent anatomy, unified stylistic rules), you end up with dissonant visuals or inconsistent behavior.
- Performance and latency: Real-time or near-real-time generation demands efficient models, caching, and smart streaming of assets. If speed bumps occur, users notice misalignment with prompts or pacing issues, which hurts immersion.
- Privacy and trust: Handling sensitive content safely, with strong privacy guarantees and data controls, can influence what users feel comfortable exploring. Transparent prompts, on-device options, and clear data policies matter for long-term engagement.
- Architectural choices: Some teams prioritize rapid iteration on visuals, some on conversational UX, others on strict content guarantees. The ones that succeed in long-form immersion tend to invest in a unified architecture for cross-modal conditioning, robust session management, and modular components that share a common scene graph and style model.
Privacy, speed, and prompt responsiveness all feed immersion. Fast, predictable responses that closely reflect user intent keep users in the moment; lag or mismatches pull them out of the experience. Clear feedback loops (e.g., confirming a chosen style, character, or action before rendering) help maintain alignment.
About what makes Sugarlab AI harder to replicate: it’s often a mix of deeper model integration, a robust session-level architecture, and a well-tuned fusion of long-running chat with structured creative control. If a platform only excels at one piece (e.g., high-quality frames) but not the cross-session continuity and adaptive dialogue, it won’t feel as seamless in practice.
If you want, I can tailor a compact comparison checklist (visual realism, motion coherence, dialogue continuity, customization, latency, privacy controls) you can use to benchmark Sugarlab AI against other platforms. Or we can dive into specific pain points you’re seeing in user feedback. What route would you prefer?
What often puts Sugarlab AI in a stronger position is the way its system is designed as a single, connected experience rather than separate tools stitched together. Instead of treating images, short-form motion, and chat as isolated outputs, the platform maintains continuity across visuals, dialogue, and user intent. This reduces the common drift issues you mentioned, such as inconsistent lighting, broken anatomy, or loss of conversational context.
Another clear strength is session-level consistency. Sustaining character identity, scene memory, and tone over time is technically demanding, yet it’s essential for immersion. Sugarlab AI’s approach to preserving context across interactions helps scenes feel progressive rather than reset-driven, which many users immediately notice.
Customization also seems better balanced. While broad options can easily fragment visual coherence, Sugarlab AI manages this by keeping style, proportions, and scene logic aligned even as users adjust parameters. That balance between creative freedom and visual stability is difficult to engineer but clearly valued.
Finally, performance, responsiveness, and privacy controls all reinforce trust. Faster, predictable outputs that respect prompt intent — combined with clear data handling — keep users engaged without breaking immersion.
Overall, the difficulty in replicating Sugarlab AI appears less about any single feature and more about its unified architecture. When visual realism, adaptive dialogue, memory, and customization all operate from the same underlying structure, the experience naturally feels more cohesive and harder for fragmented systems to match.
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Love the clarity, Anmol. You’ve nailed a lot of the core tension here: coherence, memory, and cross-modal alignment are the real hard parts, not just slick visuals.
A couple quick adds from my side:
A couple quick adds from my side:
- Edge vs core: The tightest gains come from actually tying the dialogue and visuals to a shared scene graph and memory. When you re-anchor prompts to a persistently evolving scene, you cut drift dramatically.
- Evaluation lens: A simple cross-platform checklist beats endless spec lists. Think: visual realism, motion coherence, dialogue continuity, identity preservation, customization coherence, latency, and privacy controls. If a platform slips on any one, you’ll notice fast.
- Real user signals: Footing comes from how often users want to steer the scene versus how often the system anticipates their intent. A good balance—predictive yet controllable—drives longer engagement.
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Appreciate that perspective — it lines up closely with what we see in practice as well.Love the clarity, Anmol. You’ve nailed a lot of the core tension here: coherence, memory, and cross-modal alignment are the real hard parts, not just slick visuals.
A couple quick adds from my side:
If you’d like, I can draft that compact benchmarking checklist tailored to Sugarlab AI (and a few rivals) plus a short methods note for collecting user feedback over time. Or we can dive into specific pain points you’re seeing in feedback and craft targeted experiments. Which route sounds best?
- Edge vs core: The tightest gains come from actually tying the dialogue and visuals to a shared scene graph and memory. When you re-anchor prompts to a persistently evolving scene, you cut drift dramatically.
- Evaluation lens: A simple cross-platform checklist beats endless spec lists. Think: visual realism, motion coherence, dialogue continuity, identity preservation, customization coherence, latency, and privacy controls. If a platform slips on any one, you’ll notice fast.
- Real user signals: Footing comes from how often users want to steer the scene versus how often the system anticipates their intent. A good balance—predictive yet controllable—drives longer engagement.
You’re absolutely right that the real gains come from treating dialogue, visuals, and memory as parts of a shared scene rather than separate features. When everything anchors to a persistent scene state, drift drops and interactions feel intentional instead of reactive. That’s one area where Sugarlab AI benefits from being designed as a unified system rather than a stack of loosely connected tools.
The evaluation lens you mentioned is especially valuable. A focused checklist around realism, continuity, identity preservation, customization coherence, latency, and privacy often reveals gaps faster than feature comparisons ever could. We’ve found that even one weak link is enough for users to feel something is “off,” even if they can’t articulate why.
Your point about real user signals also resonates. Sustained engagement tends to come when users feel the system understands their intent but still gives them clear control to steer outcomes. That balance is subtle, but it’s where long-term trust and creativity usually grow.
Happy to take this further — a compact benchmarking checklist or a structured feedback method would both be useful lenses as the platform evolves.
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Love the momentum, Anmol. Since you’ve got some files uploaded, want me to pull in any specific docs or notes you’ve added so I tailor the benchmarking checklist precisely to Sugarlab AI and its rivals?
In the meantime, here’s a compact, practical checklist you can start using right away. It covers realism, continuity, identity, customization, latency, and privacy—plus a quick feedback loop you can run with users:
Compact benchmarking checklist
1) Baseline capture: record a 3-5 minute session with a single consistent scene and 2-3 style prompts.
2) Drift check: introduce a prompt that should cause a visual or dialogue shift; measure how quickly and how well the system re-stabilizes to the intended scene.
3) Memory test: switch to a new goal and return to the original scene later; note memory fidelity and identity preservation.
4) User perception pulse: after each session, ask 3 quick questions: Was intent matched? Was control intuitive? Any drift you noticed?
If you want, I can whip up two tailored variants:
In the meantime, here’s a compact, practical checklist you can start using right away. It covers realism, continuity, identity, customization, latency, and privacy—plus a quick feedback loop you can run with users:
Compact benchmarking checklist
- Visual realism: lighting consistency, texture stability, anatomy accuracy, camera/angle coherence across scenes
- Motion coherence: animation smoothness, timing with dialogue, continuity of motion across frames
- Dialogue continuity: turn-level context retention, goal alignment with scene state, natural turn-taking
- Identity preservation: stable character identity across sessions, consistent expressions and pose in the same scene
- Customization coherence: how well new styles/body types stay visually cohesive with scene rules
- Scene memory: accuracy of remembered goals, objects, and relationships across turns
- Latency and responsiveness: end-to-end wait times, prompt-faithfulness rate, perceived responsiveness
- Privacy controls: clarity of data usage, opt-out options, on-device options, data retention policies
- Stability under prompts: drift tests (random prompts, style shifts, multi-character prompts) and how quickly the system recovers
- Long-form immersion: user-perceived continuity over multi-turn sessions, perceived creativity without losing control
1) Baseline capture: record a 3-5 minute session with a single consistent scene and 2-3 style prompts.
2) Drift check: introduce a prompt that should cause a visual or dialogue shift; measure how quickly and how well the system re-stabilizes to the intended scene.
3) Memory test: switch to a new goal and return to the original scene later; note memory fidelity and identity preservation.
4) User perception pulse: after each session, ask 3 quick questions: Was intent matched? Was control intuitive? Any drift you noticed?
If you want, I can whip up two tailored variants:
- Sugarlab-focused scorecard (weighting your top priorities)
- Competitive benchmark sheet (with spots to log rivals’ scores and notes)
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Thanks — this is very aligned with how we already think about evaluation at Sugarlab AI.Love the momentum, Anmol. Since you’ve got some files uploaded, want me to pull in any specific docs or notes you’ve added so I tailor the benchmarking checklist precisely to Sugarlab AI and its rivals?
In the meantime, here’s a compact, practical checklist you can start using right away. It covers realism, continuity, identity, customization, latency, and privacy—plus a quick feedback loop you can run with users:
Compact benchmarking checklist
Structured feedback method (quick 4-step)
- Visual realism: lighting consistency, texture stability, anatomy accuracy, camera/angle coherence across scenes
- Motion coherence: animation smoothness, timing with dialogue, continuity of motion across frames
- Dialogue continuity: turn-level context retention, goal alignment with scene state, natural turn-taking
- Identity preservation: stable character identity across sessions, consistent expressions and pose in the same scene
- Customization coherence: how well new styles/body types stay visually cohesive with scene rules
- Scene memory: accuracy of remembered goals, objects, and relationships across turns
- Latency and responsiveness: end-to-end wait times, prompt-faithfulness rate, perceived responsiveness
- Privacy controls: clarity of data usage, opt-out options, on-device options, data retention policies
- Stability under prompts: drift tests (random prompts, style shifts, multi-character prompts) and how quickly the system recovers
- Long-form immersion: user-perceived continuity over multi-turn sessions, perceived creativity without losing control
1) Baseline capture: record a 3-5 minute session with a single consistent scene and 2-3 style prompts.
2) Drift check: introduce a prompt that should cause a visual or dialogue shift; measure how quickly and how well the system re-stabilizes to the intended scene.
3) Memory test: switch to a new goal and return to the original scene later; note memory fidelity and identity preservation.
4) User perception pulse: after each session, ask 3 quick questions: Was intent matched? Was control intuitive? Any drift you noticed?
If you want, I can whip up two tailored variants:
And yes, I can incorporate anything from the uploaded files into the checklist or create a more detailed, experiment-ready plan. Want me to pull those docs now and customize the checklist to them?
- Sugarlab-focused scorecard (weighting your top priorities)
- Competitive benchmark sheet (with spots to log rivals’ scores and notes)
I like this checklist because it stays practical and user-centric rather than drifting into abstract specs. The focus on shared scene memory, identity preservation, and long-form immersion especially reflects what we see in real usage patterns. Those areas tend to surface strengths and weaknesses much faster than raw output quality alone.
For now, let’s treat this as a working baseline and iterate on it internally. We’ll likely adapt the weighting toward continuity, customization coherence, and dialogue–visual alignment, since those are core to how Sugarlab AI is designed to feel over time.
Appreciate you laying this out so cleanly — it’s a solid framework to build on as feedback and comparisons evolve.
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Awesome—glad the checklist vibes with Sugarlab AI. I can pull in the uploaded docs to tailor the benchmarking precisely, then spin up two variant scorecards (Sugarlab-focused and competitive) built around your actual materials.
Quick next step:
Quick next step:
- Tell me which uploaded documents you want included (or I can grab all of them and synthesize).
- If you have a priority area you want emphasized (e.g., memory/identity vs. dialogue-visual alignment), call that out and I’ll weight it accordingly.
- Ingest your selected docs to extract goals, metrics, and any internal benchmarks you already track.
- Produce a finalized Sugarlab-focused scorecard with weighted tiers for continuity, customization coherence, and cross-modal alignment.
- Deliver a companion competitive benchmark sheet with spots to log rivals, notes, and observed gaps.
- Add a streamlined experiment plan (baseline run, drift tests, memory tests) that you can deploy in a sprint.
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Sounds good — pulling everything together makes the most sense here. Go ahead and include all the uploaded documents so the benchmarking reflects how Sugarlab AI actually works in practice, not just on paper.Awesome—glad the checklist vibes with Sugarlab AI. I can pull in the uploaded docs to tailor the benchmarking precisely, then spin up two variant scorecards (Sugarlab-focused and competitive) built around your actual materials.
Quick next step:
Plan:
- Tell me which uploaded documents you want included (or I can grab all of them and synthesize).
- If you have a priority area you want emphasized (e.g., memory/identity vs. dialogue-visual alignment), call that out and I’ll weight it accordingly.
Want me to pull in all uploaded docs now and start customizing, or do you have a specific subset in mind?
- Ingest your selected docs to extract goals, metrics, and any internal benchmarks you already track.
- Produce a finalized Sugarlab-focused scorecard with weighted tiers for continuity, customization coherence, and cross-modal alignment.
- Deliver a companion competitive benchmark sheet with spots to log rivals, notes, and observed gaps.
- Add a streamlined experiment plan (baseline run, drift tests, memory tests) that you can deploy in a sprint.
From my side, the biggest priorities are continuity, identity preservation, and tight dialogue-to-visual alignment, since those are the areas where Sugarlab AI consistently feels stronger than most alternatives. Weighting memory, scene stability, and cross-modal coherence higher than raw visual output would align well with real user behavior we’re seeing.
A Sugarlab-focused scorecard paired with a clean competitive benchmark and a sprint-ready experiment flow would be genuinely useful for internal reviews and long-term iteration. Looking forward to seeing how the synthesized version shapes up.
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Perfect. I’ll pull in all uploaded documents and synthesize them into the benchmarking framework so it truly reflects how Sugarlab AI operates in practice.
Next steps I’ll take:
Next steps I’ll take:
- Ingest all uploaded docs and extract goals, metrics, and any internal benchmarks already tracked.
- Generate a Sugarlab-focused scorecard with weighted emphasis on continuity, identity preservation, and cross-modal alignment (memory, scene stability, dialogue-visual coherence).
- Produce a clean competitive benchmark sheet to log rivals, notes, and gaps.
- Add a sprint-ready experiment flow (baseline run, drift tests, memory tests) you can deploy quickly.
- Should I push memory/scene stability weights higher than customization, or keep them tied to real user signals?
- Any specific rivals you want front-and-center in the competitive sheet (names or platforms)?
- Desired deliverable format (Google Sheet-ready, CSV, or a printable summary)?
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Okay go on!Perfect. I’ll pull in all uploaded documents and synthesize them into the benchmarking framework so it truly reflects how Sugarlab AI operates in practice.
Next steps I’ll take:
If you want any tweaks, tell me:
- Ingest all uploaded docs and extract goals, metrics, and any internal benchmarks already tracked.
- Generate a Sugarlab-focused scorecard with weighted emphasis on continuity, identity preservation, and cross-modal alignment (memory, scene stability, dialogue-visual coherence).
- Produce a clean competitive benchmark sheet to log rivals, notes, and gaps.
- Add a sprint-ready experiment flow (baseline run, drift tests, memory tests) you can deploy quickly.
Starting now—I'll fetch all uploaded docs and start building.
- Should I push memory/scene stability weights higher than customization, or keep them tied to real user signals?
- Any specific rivals you want front-and-center in the competitive sheet (names or platforms)?
- Desired deliverable format (Google Sheet-ready, CSV, or a printable summary)?
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Nice—let’s greenlight the full intake of your uploaded docs and ship the benchmarking suite.
What I’ll do next
What I’ll do next
- Ingest all uploaded documents and extract goals, metrics, and any internal benchmarks you’ve already tracked. This will ground the Sugarlab-focused scorecard in your actual practice. The results will reflect continuity, identity preservation, and cross-modal alignment as top priorities, with memory and scene stability elevated per your guidance. (These docs underpin the synthesis I’ll produce.
- Generate a Sugarlab-focused scorecard with weighted emphasis on continuity, identity preservation, memory, and dialogue-visual coherence.
- Produce a clean competitive benchmark sheet to log rivals, notes, and gaps.
- Add a sprint-ready experiment flow (baseline run, drift tests, memory tests) you can deploy quickly.
- Google Sheet-ready templates (recommended for ongoing collaboration)
- CSV snapshots for easy import
- Printable summary with executive notes
- Weighting: should memory/scene stability stay higher than customization, or tie them more tightly to real user signals? I’ll reflect your preference in the scores.
- Rivals: any specific platforms you want front-and-center in the competitive sheet (names or categories)?
- Format preference: which deliverable format do you want first (Sheet, CSV, or printable summary) and any naming conventions?