Brianpilotdude
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And that, my dear sir, is exactly why you never use AMD cards.
Ok, jokes aside:
There IS NO WAY you can solve the cooling problem, except to buy a new motherboard - I'll give you a list of possible options later on.
Crossfire/SLI is using two or more graphics cards on the same motherboard.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT DOUBLES THE POWER
What Crossfire/SLI actually does is - it simply splits the load into the two different cards.
Let me give you an example.
Pretend you're rendering a picture - this picture is big, and it stresses your graphics card to, say, 90%.
If you use two cards, however, the Crossfire/SLI setting will simply split the load; this means that each card is responsible for rendering half of the image (ie: each card now has 45% load instead of 90% load).
TL;DR - Crossfire doesn't double the speed.
Motherboards: the i7 920 uses the outdated LGA 1366 socket
(May I add - the i7 920 is a rather outdated processor - using the two AMD 6790's in crossfire and that old processor on the same system, you're bound to run into a bottleneck, which is probably why the Crossfire isn't really increasing the speed)
which is using the X58 chipset. This chipset is rather old as well, so don't expect to milk out too much extra speed from your graphics card.
My advice - build a new computer. Your processor and motherboard are far to old to really let your graphics cards shine, so you can either bin the graphics cards and wait 'til later, or start from scratch again (figuratively speaking, keep your RAM, HDD and whatever).
No worries mate, glad to help you out
Also, some new information - since you're using the crossfire setup, it'd be better if you got a motherboard that "supports" dual graphics cards better.
So - four new motherboards that will probably be better for you.
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE G1.Sniper 3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
The G1.Sniper 3 from Gigabyte has more space between the PCIe Slots, so the overall heat of your cards will be less than if you stuck them on to the boards I mention before. It comes in a nice green and black colour, but sadly the chipset heatsink no longer looks like the magazine from a gun. That detail aside, though, it supports SATA III (6GB/s transfer between motherboard and Hard Drive/SSD) and a host of USB 3.0 ports. Slightly more expensive though, at $269, but both the processor and this motherboard are just about the i7's price, and in the long run you'd probably be able to get more from this than from the motherboards I mentioned before.
Newegg.com - ASRock Z77 Extreme9 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
This motherboard looks like, in just one word, beast. The heatsinks look like... I actually don't know what they look like, but they're gold and silver so that'd look pretty nice with a set of flashing RAM sticks (if you're planning on upgrading RAM - Corsair's Dominator Platinum or Crucial's Ballistix Tracers have nice lights). It is, however, rather expensive and shows up at $369. Really, though, if you have money to spend on two 6790's then you should be able to afford this. But, to each his own, I guess. It's your choice.
Newegg.com - ECS Golden Z77H2-AX(1.0) LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
If you thought the AsRock Z77 Extreme9 was the best looker, well, you're wrong. This one has FRICKIN GOLDEN HEATSINKS, GOLDEN EVERYTHING. The heatsinks next to the socket give the processor a house that looks something like Superman's Fortress of Solitude. So much gold, so much gold, so much gold. There is one downside to this - the overall performance is not as good as the other two, so it's your choice - looks or power? It's also at $269 though, so this isn't a choice to rule out.
Last of all...
Newegg.com - EVGA Z77 FTW 151-IB-E699-KR LGA 1155 Intel Z77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA's own Z77 SLI/Crossfire motherboard - the EVGA Z77 FTW. Although it doesn't have many flashy heatsinks next to the processor, it does have a fan on the chipset (which means slightly louder and more power consumption, but it probably looks better). Like all the motherboards I've shown you in this post, the PCIe slots are far enough from each other to allow adequate space for cooling your graphics cards. It also has, in my opinion, the best performance overall out of the 4. And, at $180, it's the small package that big things come in.
These motherboards are all relatively expensive, but if you plan on keeping your computer for about 3 years without major upgrades, I can assure you that any choice wouldn't be a bad choice.
So really, seeing since you've got two already-power-hungry GPU's, the small bit of extra power from the processor probably won't make a difference.Ivy Bridge is the "tick"-ed version of Sandy Bridge Models, so you really won't be getting that much more power from the Ivy Bridge processors.
Intel builds their processors following a "tick tock" progress. The "tock" introduces a new architecture for the processor which will allow for better performance overall. NOTE: Sandy Bridge is the tock.
The "tick" introduces a die shrink, which allows Intel to cram more transistors into a smaller space; ie. same performance for less power. The Ivy Bridge is the "tick" from the Sandy bridge, going from the 32nm to the 22nm die size.
Word of advice - if the board won't fit without modding, you might run into some problems (source: friend's experience).
An extra suggestion:
The LCS (LiquiCoolingSys) for your CPU is rather old for such a new motherboard and processor (assuming you'll upgrade to the EVGA and 3570k). However, your graphics card was from ~2010 so... the i5 2500K is a cheaper and probably more suitable product:
So really, seeing since you've got two already-power-hungry GPU's, the small bit of extra power from the processor probably won't make a difference.
This is, of course, assuming you won't upgrade your graphics cards any time in the near future.
Plus if you don't overclock, for about 50 buck cheaper you can get the i7 3770 (without the "K").the i7 supports hyperthreading which gives two virtu. cores on one phys. cores, effectively doubling the amount of cores on the processor, which gives more space to do more core-hungry programs.
Even tho there are now 2 cores on 1 phys. core, the 2 virtu. cores can only perform the same "type" of program.
So, imagine as tho the processor is your brain.
Your brain has 4 phys. cores, but it's hyperthreaded to make 8 cores.
the first two virtu. cores concentrate on rubbing your stomach and rubbing your head. they can't do anything else, just rubbing
the second two virtu. cores concentrate on scratch, one scratches your cheek one scratches your foot, they can only scratch
etc etc.
but for big programs like photoshop or AVS or tables in excel (programs which use the same kind of data over and over) then the hyperthreaded proc. > normal, un-hyperthred proc.
The 800D is MASSIVE. MASSIVE as in MASSIVE BIG HOLY***********************************RGWREIT@$T@G@$*%T$^#T$*@*(@$(&%T@$$&(% BIG.
Here's a suggestion for a case - Corsair Carbide 500R. Looks like a boxed up stormtrooper, and if you add LED Fans such as "http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/wp-content/uploads/102g.jpg" it does look pretty sweet. All Corsair cases (post-2005) have the rubber grommets and holes for cable management so that won't be any problem.
And it always happens to us. We say "Oh, I'll just go for a $1.5k computer, no worries" and we end up with a system that's past the 2000 mark. If you're using programs like AutoCAD, Media Editing (photoshop I suppose?) and the like, you'd do better off with the latest generation i7 processors instead of the i5.
Plus if you don't overclock, for about 50 buck cheaper you can get the i7 3770 (without the "K").
The two 6970's are relatively good cards (take that as a compliment, coming from someone who supports NVIDIA all the way and sits on AMD's face) but, as you said, not the best.
Here are my recommendations:
The only reason why I'm telling you to get the older i5 is because all the other parts of your system are just about 1 year old. There's no sense in putting a processor from march 2012 into a system made in march 2011.
Your graphics cards were from 2010.
Your cooler was from 2011.
Your RAM (because you gave no specific version) was from 2011.
so if you put in the 3570K and EVGA FTW into a 2011 system, you wouldn't be able to get the most out of your computer.
That's all I'm willing to say. It's all down to your choice, but if it was me, I'd just get the new mobo, the i5 2500K and be happy for another year or so, then build a new one from scratch.
Ok - where I'm coming from:
With a computer builder's perspective, it makes no sense to upgrade an old computer with just one or two new parts. In your example, (in my opinion) it makes no sense in adding the 3570k (2012) into your system (which has parts going back into 2010).
Now, with your new proposed build:
When I look at it, it doesn't add up. Like what I just said in the previous paragraph, try and make a build with parts released around the same time.
Points: (I'll give recommendations later in this post)
First point: The EVGA Z77 FTW was designed for people with multiple GPU-configs. See the large space between the PCIe slots, and the massive chipset? That's all for the multi-GPU people. I'm not saying that it's a bad option, but I don't really think it'd be the best choice for your new system.
Second Point: See how you got an i7 3770? AND the EVGA Z77 FTW? AND the 1200W Power Supply? Now look at your GPU. A GTX 560, not even the Titanium (Ti) version. The 560 was released about a year before the i7 3770. The 560 doesn't need 1200W of power, and with your current setup, 750W is more than enough.
For the motherboard, it's all your choice. But to be really, really, really, really, really, really honest with you, it really doesn't suit your build. The Graphics Card is also outdated, and, frankly, the architecture of the 500 series (Fermi) is POUNDED TO DUST by the new Kepler Architecture, which is featured in the 600 series.
Two suggestions:
1: If you're dead set on using the GTX 560, then go ahead, but I'd change the motherboard for something cheaper such as the ASROCK z77 Extreme4 or a Gigabyte Z77 UD3H.
2: You can, instead, swap the GPU for: (Newegg.com - MSI N660 Ti PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card)
The 660Ti uses the new Kepler architecture, and it's a decent price for such a good GPU. It comes with MSI Afterburner so Overclocking is as easy as winking. Then, if you really want, you can use the Z77 FTW, or, instead, you can go for
this: (Newegg.com - ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard) which has armour plating, better cooling options and dust defenders and the like.
For a PSU, swap the 1200 for a (Newegg.com - CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply) 850W PSU.
That's what I would do.