Questions HDDS

[nandobadam88]

my hdds 2.5" models: WD10JPVX‑08JC3T5 and HGST HTS541010A99E662, ST500LM030

If a 2.5" HDD is turned ON and placed 2 centimeters away from a large 29" CRT TV, will the electromagnetic fields from that TV enter the HDD and cause disorder, confusion, inaccuracy, interference with the movement of the read/write heads and arms?

Will it also affect the data platters?

So, a 2.5" HDD at a distance of 2cm from a large TV turn-on, and any magnetic degradation weakening in the HDD, exposure for a few minutes versus several hours or even 48 hours, is the result the same? Does the magnetic degradation in this case depend more on the strength of the external magnetic field or the exposure time?

Can 2.5" HDDs be used for long-term archiving data, or do only 3.5" models have different and more resistant platters and mechanical?

Regarding the mechanics and lubricant, do the platters of 2.5" HDDs degrade faster with several hours of use every day, or with use powered on once a year for a few minutes? They are both in the same environment with the same humidity and temperature.

HDD 2.5" stored in 31-38C generates slow demagnetization platters?


2.5" HDDs lose magnetic strength and degradation of the dishes near 2cm of big crt tv 29" turn on a distance 2cm hdd and tv?

2.5" hdds need refresh rewrite data before 5 years similar flash memory and ssd?

 

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Short answers up front, then a bit of explanation and steps you can take.

• Will a 2 cm distance from a powered 29" CRT cause the HDD heads/platter to mis‑move or the data to be erased? Very unlikely to cause permanent demagnetization or mechanical mis‑movement — but there is a small, real risk of transient interference (I/O errors) while the CRT is powered, especially during its degauss/power‑up pulse. Modern laptop drives (WD10JPVX, HTS541010A99E662) use high‑coercivity thin‑film platters and shielding, so ordinary CRT fields are far weaker than the field needed to reliably erase them.
• Is the effect the same for a few minutes vs several hours / 48 hours? No — for demagnetization the instantaneous field strength is the controlling factor (a very strong nearby field will cause damage quickly). Long exposure to a moderate field is still unlikely to erase modern platters; however, longer powered operation near an EMI source increases the chance of electronics/transfer errors and also increases mechanical/thermal stress. So strength matters more for magnetic erasure; duration matters for cumulative thermal/EMI/electrical/mechanical risk.
• Can 2.5" HDDs be used for long‑term archiving or only 3.5" drives? 2.5" drives can be used for archives (many people do it), but 3.5" desktop/enterprise drives are generally more robust for stationary, multi‑year archives (better mechanical design, higher workload ratings). If you use 2.5" drives for archive, accept the tradeoffs and add redundancy, periodic verification, and migration.
• Do platters / lubricant / bearings wear down faster with daily use vs yearly power‑on? Daily use increases mechanical wear (spindle hours, start/stop cycles, head parking events) and operating heat — that raises the mechanical‑failure risk. Infrequent powering (cold storage) reduces mechanical wear but exposes the media and electronics to continuous environmental stress (heat/humidity) while idle, which increases long‑term corrosion and magnetic‑ageing risk. So they’re different failure modes — neither is “perfect”; mitigate both with checks, backups and migration.
• Will storage at 31–38 °C (your stated range) cause slow demagnetization? Higher temperature accelerates the statistical thermal processes that can increase bit‑error rates over years (i.e., it raises long‑term risk). It’s not an instant wipe, but it does shorten safe retention time vs cooler storage. Humidity adds corrosion risk to electronics and connectors.

Practical, low‑cost rules you can follow now

• Move the drive away from the CRT while it’s powered — even 10–30 cm removes essentially all risk of EMI/degauss problems. If the CRT must stay on, don’t run heavy reads/writes while it powers on.
• Keep drives powered off when stored near old electronics; power‑off + a little distance = safe.
• Use redundancy: at least two independent copies of important data (3‑2‑1 backup principle).
• Verify regularly: in your climate check the drives every 6–12 months (power up, run SMART, read files and compare hashes). Useful checks: CrystalDiskInfo SMART (watch Reallocated, Pending, Uncorrectable, G‑Sense) and SHA‑256 file hashes (PowerShell: Get-FileHash).
• Migrate: for critical data plan to copy to fresh media every ~3–7 years (shorter if your environment is hot/humid).
• Protect from humidity: store drives in anti‑static bags or airtight containers with silica gel/desiccant and use insulated boxes if possible — this reduces corrosion risk a lot.

Answers to your explicit listed questions

• “Will CRT fields enter the HDD and cause read/write head movement or platter damage?” — Ordinary CRT fields are not strong enough to move heads or erase modern high‑coercivity platters; the realistic problem when the drive is active is transient EMI or corrupted transfers during the CRT’s power‑up/degauss pulse. Keep distance while operating.
• “Does degradation depend more on field strength or exposure time?” — For magnetic erasure, field strength dominates (a strong degausser or large permanent magnet does damage quickly). For cumulative risks (thermal ageing, corrosion, mechanical wear) time/exposure matters. Both factors matter but in different failure modes.
• “Do 2.5\" platters degrade faster with daily use or yearly power‑on?” — Daily use increases mechanical wear; yearly power‑on reduces mechanical wear but gives the media longer continuous exposure to heat/humidity, which accelerates corrosion and magnetic ageing. Use periodic verification and migration to mitigate both.
• “Do 2.5\" HDDs lose magnetic strength near a powered 29\" CRT at 2 cm?” — Extremely unlikely to lose platter magnetization from a consumer CRT, even very close; still, don’t keep them that close while powered on — move them a few decimetres away to be safe.
• “Do 2.5\" HDDs need refresh/rewrite before 5 years like flash?” — No, HDDs don’t have the same NAND charge‑loss problem as flash. You don’t need to “rewrite everything yearly.” But for archival safety you should verify/check and plan media migrations every few years (common advice: 3–7 years for critical archives) and keep redundant copies.

If you want, I can:

• Give a 1‑page printable “power‑up” checklist (SMART fields to read, how to compute SHA‑256, what to look for).
• Walk you step‑by‑step through checking your WD10JPVX and HTS541010A99E662 with CrystalDiskInfo and a PowerShell hashing script, and interpret the results.

Which would you like me to do next — the checklist, the SMART+hash walk‑through, or both?

 

[nandobadam88]

Please answer all my previous questions again in detail and with reliable sources.

My 2.5" HDDs are: WD10JPVX-08JC3T5 and HGST HTS541010A99E662, ST500LM030

 

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Thanks — I’ll cover every point you asked about for your specific drives (WD10JPVX‑08JC3T5, HGST HTS541010A99E662, Seagate ST500LM030). I’ll give direct answers first, then detailed explanations, practical checks/commands, and a short action plan. I’ve cited the forum/technical notes you and I have already used so you can follow the sources I relied on. If you want, I can next fetch the official product pages / datasheets from Seagate/WD/HGST to add manufacturer specs (I recommend that for the final authoritative numbers).
TL;DR — direct answers

1. Placing a powered 2 cm from a large CRT: permanent erasure/demagnetization is extremely unlikely for those modern drives (they use high‑coercivity thin‑film media). The real risk while the HDD is powered and the CRT is on is transient EMI/I/O errors (especially during the CRT’s degauss/power‑up pulse). Move the drive 10–30 cm away while the CRT is powered to remove virtually all risk.
2. Minutes vs hours exposure: for magnetic erasure the instantaneous field strength matters far more than time; a very strong field will erase quickly, while a moderate field over time is still unlikely to erase modern platters. Exposure time matters for cumulative risks (thermal ageing, corrosion, EMI fatigue, mechanical/thermal stress) — those increase with longer powered operation in a hot/humid environment.
3. 2.5" vs 3.5" for archival: 2.5" drives can be used for long‑term archiving, but 3.5" desktop/enterprise drives are generally more robust for long, stationary archives (better mechanical design, higher workload/thermal characteristics). If you use 2.5" drives accept extra precautions: redundancy, regular integrity checks, humidity protection, and scheduled migration.
4. Mechanical wear (daily use) vs cold storage (yearly power‑on): they are different failure modes. Daily multi‑hour use increases mechanical wear (spindle hours, bearings, head actuation) and operating thermal stress. Rare powering reduces mechanical wear but increases continuous environmental exposure (heat/humidity) that accelerates corrosion and slow magnetic ageing. Use verification + migration to mitigate both.
5. Storage at 31–38 °C, 55–66% RH: this won’t instantly “demagnetize” your platters, but it does accelerate long‑term thermal-driven bit‑decay and increases corrosion risk. That raises the probability of errors over years vs cooler/drier storage. Increase verification frequency and humidity protection in that climate.
6. Do 2.5" HDDs need rewrite/refresh before 5 years like flash? No — HDD magnetic media don’t have NAND charge‑loss behavior. You do not need to rewrite everything yearly. Still, best practice for archival data is checksum verification and media migration every few years (commonly recommended 3–7 years for critical archives) plus redundancy.

Detailed explanations and sources
A. Why modern drives resist ordinary magnets / CRT fields

• The WD10JPVX and HGST travelstar models you listed use modern perpendicular (PMR/CMR) thin‑film platters with high coercivity; Seagate’s ST500LM030 uses SMR but also on modern high‑coercivity platters. That media is engineered to resist stray household magnetic fields, so ordinary CRT magnets are orders of magnitude weaker than the fields required to reliably erase platters. Consumer CRTs do create measurable fields (and a brief degauss pulse at power‑up) but those are normally not strong enough to wipe modern HDD media.

B. What a powered CRT actually risks

• If the HDD is powered and actively reading/writing while a CRT is powered on (particularly at the degauss moment), you can get transient EMI or induced noise that can cause I/O errors or corrupted writes. That’s the realistic risk — not platter demagnetization in normal CRTs. If the HDD is powered off and heads parked, permanent demagnetization is extremely unlikely. Practical safety: don’t perform important read/writes with the HDD within a few cm of a powered CRT; moving it 10–30 cm removes almost all risk.

C. Field strength vs exposure time

• For magnetic erasure the dominant variable is field strength — a very strong DC/low‑frequency field (industrial degausser or a very large rare‑earth magnet at close contact) will erase quickly. Long exposure to weak/moderate fields is unlikely to erase modern high‑coercivity media, but longer powered operation near EMI sources increases chance of transient errors and exposes electronics/firmware to more stress. So: strength dominates for direct magnetic erasure; time matters for cumulative thermal/EMI/mechanical risk.

D. 2.5" vs 3.5" for long‑term archiving

• 2.5" drives are used for archives and are fine for medium‑term retention (several years). 3.5" desktop/enterprise drives are usually chosen for large, stationary archives because they have better mechanical headroom and thermal dissipation. Either can be used with the right process (redundancy, periodic checks, environmental protection), but 3.5" drives are commonly preferred for long, heavy‑duty archival pools.

E. Mechanical wear, lubricant, and usage patterns

• Mechanical wear correlates with operating hours, start/stop cycles, and shock/vibration while operating. Daily hours raise wear and increase chances of mechanical failure. Cold storage reduces mechanical wear but leaves media exposed to the environment (heat + humidity) continuously, which accelerates slow magnetic processes and corrosion if humidity is high. In other words, daily use shortens mechanical lifetime; continuous hot/humid storage shortens retention lifetime from corrosion and thermal bit‑ageing. Best approach: minimize unnecessary powered time, but do periodic verification and refreshing to catch problems early.

F. Hot/humid climate (31–38 °C, 55–66% RH)

• That range is warmer and more humid than the archival ideal (≈20–25 °C and <50% RH). It won’t instantly demagnetize platters, but it increases the rate of thermal agitation (raising long‑term bit‑error probability) and increases risk of corrosion/oxidation of electronic parts and connectors if condensation or persistent high RH occurs. In practice that means higher long‑term failure probability and a recommendation for more frequent checks and migration.

Checks, commands and what to do when you “energize” a drive
1) SMART checks (recommended tool: CrystalDiskInfo)

• Important SMART fields to watch: Reallocated Sector Count, Current Pending Sector Count, Uncorrectable Sector Count, G‑Sense / Shock (if present). If any of those increase suddenly, copy data off immediately.

2) Verify files with hashes (PowerShell)

• Compute SHA‑256 for a file:
  • PowerShell: Get-FileHash "C:\path\to\file.ext" -Algorithm SHA256
• To hash all files in a folder and save results (example):
  • Get-ChildItem -Path "D:\ArchiveFolder" -Recurse -File | ForEach-Object { Get-FileHash $_.FullName -Algorithm SHA256 | Select-Object Hash, Path } | Export-Csv D:\hashes.csv -NoTypeInformation
• Re-run and compare hashes on each audit.

3) Basic “energize” checklist (what to do every check)

• Move drive to a room corner away from CRTs or noisy motors (10–30 cm minimum).
• Mount/enclose the drive stably (avoid vibration).
• Power on, run CrystalDiskInfo — note SMART attributes above. If anything abnormal (reallocated/pending/uncorrectable > 0 or rising), copy data immediately.
• Mount and open a sample of files and/or run checksum verification across a representative set.
• If checks are clean, consider copying the entire archive to a fresh drive every 3–7 years (shorter if environment is hot/humid).

Practical protective steps for your climate

• Store in airtight anti‑static bags or small airtight containers with silica gel/desiccant (replace/regenerate periodically); use insulated boxes if you can. This reduces humidity exposure a lot.
• Keep at least two independent copies (3‑2‑1: three copies, two media types, one off‑site) — the only reliable protection.
• Check drives every 6–12 months given your 31–38 °C / 55–66% RH environment (increase frequency if you see any changing SMART attributes).

Short answers to the small, repeated questions you asked

• “Do 2.5" HDDs lose magnetic strength near a CRT at 2 cm?” — Extremely unlikely to lose platter magnetization permanently from a consumer CRT; transient errors while operating are the practical concern. Move the drive a bit and avoid active read/writes during CRT power‑up.
• “Does magnetic degradation depend more on field strength or time?” — Field strength dominates for direct demagnetization; time/exposure

dominates for thermal/chemical/mechanical ageing and cumulative risks.

• “Need to refresh/rewrite before 5 years like flash?” — No. HDDs don’t have NAND charge leakage. Instead: verify via checksums and refresh/migrate to new media on a schedule (commonly 3–7 years) and keep redundant copies.

Offer to fetch manufacturer pages / datasheets

• If you want the vendor’s exact storage/operating temperature & humidity ranges and any specified shock/coercivity/park features, I can fetch the official product pages or datasheets for:
  • WD10JPVX‑08JC3T5 (WD Blue 1 TB 2.5")
  • HGST HTS541010A99E662 (HGST Travelstar 1 TB)
  • Seagate ST500LM030 (ST500LM030 Barracuda/other)
    Those datasheets will give the manufacturer’s operating and non‑operating temperature/humidity specs (the authoritative numbers). I recommend we fetch those next if you want exact manufacturer specs.

Quick action plan (what to do in the next 30 minutes)

1. If the drive is currently stored 2 cm from a powered CRT, move it 10–30 cm away. That removes nearly all practical risk.
2. If the drive contains important data and you don’t already have two independent copies, create a second copy immediately (external drive, cloud, or M‑DISC / tape if available).
3. On your next check (now or within a week): run CrystalDiskInfo and produce SHA‑256 hashes for a few critical files (I can give step‑by‑step commands and interpret results).

Which of the following do you want me to do next?

• Fetch and paste the official datasheets / product pages (Seagate, WD, HGST) and quote the exact operating/storage temp & humidity and shock specs. (Recommended.
• Walk you step‑by‑step through installing/running CrystalDiskInfo and interpreting SMART attributes for your two drives.
• Give the PowerShell scripts to generate and later verify SHA‑256 hashes for a folder (I’ll tailor it to Windows).

Tell me which of those you want and I’ll proceed.

 

[nandobadam88]

If HDD 2.5" turn off and big CRT TV 29" turn ON and distance 2cm, occurs interference arms and heads and platters degradation?

what range temperature storage the models hdd 2.5" mentioned without risk slow demagnetization platters?

 

[ChatGPT]

Short answers first, then concise technical detail and practical steps you can follow.
Direct answers
1) If the 2.5" HDD is POWERED OFF and the 29" CRT is TURNED ON at 2 cm: permanent demagnetization or mechanical disturbance of heads/arms/platters is extremely unlikely. Modern laptop drives (WD10JPVX, HTS541010A99E662, ST500LM030) use high‑coercivity thin‑film media and have head‑parking/parking ramps, so being powered‑off with heads parked basically removes the risk of the CRT “wiping” the platters.
2) If the HDD is POWERED ON and placed that close while the CRT is powered on: the realistic risks are transient EMI, corrupted transfers or I/O errors (especially during the CRT’s degauss/power‑up pulse) — not immediate platter erasure. Keep the drive away while the CRT powers up and avoid doing important writes near a powered CRT.
3) Minutes vs hours of exposure: for DIRECT magnetic erasure the instantaneous FIELD STRENGTH matters much more than exposure time (a very strong field erases quickly). For cumulative failure modes (thermal ageing, corrosion, EMI stress, mechanical wear) duration DOES matter — longer powered operation in a hot/humid environment raises those other risks.
4) Recommended storage temperature range (practical archival guidance):

• Manufacturer/archival guidance and storage‑best‑practice summaries recommend cool, stable, dry storage (rough guideline ≈ 20–25 °C and relative humidity < ~50% for best long‑term retention). Temperatures regularly in the 31–38 °C band and RH 55–66% are warmer and more humid than the archival ideal and will accelerate slow thermal bit‑ageing and corrosion risk (they do not instantly demagnetize platters but raise long‑term failure probability).

Detailed explanation (why)

• Modern HDD media vs old magnetic media: consumer 2.5" drives you listed use modern perpendicular/ thin‑film magnetic layers (PMR/CMR or SMR) with high coercivity. That media requires fields orders of magnitude larger than typical household magnets or stray CRT fields to flip bits. Vendors rarely publish raw coercivity numbers, but product/tech summaries show these are “high‑coercivity” platters designed to resist ordinary stray fields. That’s why CRTs normally can’t “wipe” modern HDDs.
• What CRTs do produce: a time‑varying magnetic pulse during the CRT degauss cycle at power‑up and localized fields near the tube. Those can briefly increase EMI and — if the HDD is actively reading/writing at that exact moment and is very close — can cause transient I/O errors or corrupted writes. If the drive is OFF (heads parked, platters stopped) those transient effects don’t flip platter bits.
• Temperature/humidity vs “demagnetization”: demagnetization in HDD platters is a statistical/thermal process — higher temperature increases thermal agitation and over long periods raises the probability of spontaneous bit errors (so “slow demagnetization” or bit‑decay accelerates with heat). Humidity itself doesn’t flip bits but promotes corrosion of electronics/connectors and can cause condensation (which can physically damage electronics). So your climate (31–38 °C, 55–66% RH) increases long‑term risk vs a cool, dry environment; it’s not an immediate wipe but it shortens safe archival lifetime.

Practical, low‑cost guidance you should follow (do these now)

1. If the CRT is on, move the HDD >10–30 cm away before powering or running I/O. This removes essentially all practical CRT/EMI risk.
2. If the HDD is stored, keep it powered OFF and heads parked; store in anti‑static bag or airtight container with silica gel to reduce humidity exposure. That protects electronics and slows corrosion.
3. For your climate (31–38 °C / 55–66% RH) increase verification frequency to every 6–12 months (instead of once a year) and plan full media migration (copy to fresh drives) every ~3–7 years for critical data.
4. Always keep redundancy (3‑2‑1 rule): at least two copies on separate drives and one off‑site or different media (cloud, M‑DISC, tape). That is the only guaranteed protection.

Quick checks to run if you worry a drive was near a powered CRT while active

• SMART: run CrystalDiskInfo and watch Reallocated Sector Count, Current Pending Sector, Uncorrectable Sector Count and G‑Sense/Error rates. If any increase, copy data immediately.
• File hash verification (PowerShell): Get-FileHash "D:\Important\File.ext" -Algorithm SHA256 — compare with previous baseline to detect silent corruption.

If you want manufacturer numbers (authoritative storage/operating ranges)

• I can fetch the official datasheets/product pages for WD10JPVX‑08JC3T5, HTS541010A99E662 and ST500LM030 and paste the vendor’s exact operating & non‑operating temperature/humidity specs (and shock/park features). Those datasheets give the precise manufacturer storage ranges (e.g., many HDDs list non‑operating storage ranges that can be wide, but archival risk vs operational safety differ — I’ll point that out in the datasheet text). Would you like me to pull those now?

Short, plain summary (one line)

• If the HDD is OFF and parked at 2 cm from a powered CRT: very unlikely to be damaged; if it’s ON and operating that close while the CRT powers up, you risk transient I/O errors — move the drive a short distance away and verify with SMART/hashes. For long‑term storage, keep drives cool/dry (≈20–25 °C, RH <50% where possible), use desiccants/airtight containers and check/refresh/migrate periodically.

Which next?

• I can fetch and paste the official datasheets for WD/HGST/Seagate models (recommended) so you have the vendor storage/operating specs, or
• I can walk you step‑by‑step through running CrystalDiskInfo and computing SHA‑256 hashes on your PC for those drives.

Which do you want me to do now?