Why can't I set "Obtain DNS server address automatically"?

pstein

Extraordinary Member
When I go in my 64bit Win 7 -->General tab then there are currently two DNS servers entered

Preferred DNS server 8.8.8.8
Alternate DNS server: 192.168.0.1

So in case the first google DNS server fails my router will be contacted and the DNS servers entered there will be used. I told my router in its GUI management to receive the current DNS servers from my cable provider.

Ok, now back in Win TCP-settinsg: I want to tell Win now to ALWAYS use the DNS cable providder settings.

When I try to click the radio button "Obtain DNS server address automatically" then this is NOT possible.
Its greyed out/disabled. Why?

Peter
 

BIGBEARJEDI

Fantastic Member
Premium Supporter
Hi Peter,
The only time the "Obtain DNS server address automatically" is greyed out is if you have selected a STATIC IP ADDRESS, in other words you have selected NOT to use "Obtain an IP address automatically". If you do this and select a Static IP Address, you are electing not to have your IP address for your computer assigned by the DHCP in your router/gateway. Without DHCP to assign this address to your computer, YOU must manually input your 2(two) DNS servers; Primary and Alternative DNS servers. In your case, the Preferred DNS server = 8.8.8.8 (google) and the Alternate DNS server 192.168.0.1 (your router). This also GREYS OUT THAT OPTION, since you cannot use the DNS automatic server assignment without also using the DHCP auto-IP addressing scheme in conjunction with it.:noway:

This is the old IP addressing scheme used 20 years ago by just about everyone, and it has more disadvantages than advantages in today's home networking environment. One of the advantages is *and this is more important for peripheral devices such as printers and webcams* is that the Static IP address you assign to your computer will never change. If you are using DHCP addressing on other computers and devices on your home network they will avoid the IP address you assigned manually to your computer, and work around it so to speak. So, if your computer's IP is for example, 192.168.0.22, and you are adding other devices with DHCP in a range of 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.50, you have 49 device IP's that can be selected for this new device in that range. For example, a new laptop added could be 192.168.0.21 or 192.168.0.23, but NOT 192.168.0.22 as that has been manually assigned by you to your computer as above, and can never be used by any other device on your network. Of course, this is not entirely intuitive and that may be confusing you.

The deal is that modern routers prefer you to use DHCP coupled with DNS for automatic addressing of IP's to your computers and peripheral devices on your LAN. The old-school option of manual IP addressing is still available for older networks or for people who have not figured out how to do it with the newer more modern scheme, or have really old routers still running their home networks etc.

Using DHCP and DNS also allows you to use advanced addressing schemes such as WINS, Proxy Server, RIP protocol, and VPNs. Few home users will ever use these functions unless their work network Administrators or University Administrators provide them with these special settings to access their networks remotely from an employee's home or a student's home or dorm.

This is probably more information than you wanted, but it a nutshell you are trying to use DNS automatic addressing of servers without DHCP auto-IP addressing which is not possible.:noway: I recommend that if you want it to work correctly, you should reverse your Primary DNS and make that 192.168.0.1 (router) and use the 8.8.8.8 (google) as the Alternate DNS. Enabling DHCP and DNS in this fashion lets your router control the IP address assignment to your computer and only if your router doesn't respond it will try to go out to the Internet and use Google's DNS to complete this task. It would actually be best, if you did this:
ENABLE DHCP
ENABLE DNS
PRIMARY DNS: 192.168.0.1
ALTERNATE DNS: 192.168.0.1


OR this
ENABLE DHCP
ENABLE DNS
PRIMARY DNS: 8.8.8.8 (Google)
ALTERNATE DNS: 8.8.4.4 (also Google)

Either of these methods will provide a better DNS resolution path than how you have it. If neither of these work, and you have more than one of your computers set to each of these configurations in turn with no love, your Router is out of date and most likely needs to be replaced with a more modern one.:waah: The fact that you are mixing Static IP addressing with DHCP indicates that you have a really old router and are trying to make a decades-old addressing scheme work on your home network which is completely unnecessary with todays networks and ISPs.

Hope that helps,:encouragement:
<<<BIGBEARJEDI>>>
 

Lynxis

New Member
BIGBEARJEDI provided an excellent response, definitely read his! Also, you might want to use something like OpenDNS. That provides you with secure DNS servers that don't go down. I personally use OpenDNS and love it! You can use it without even spending a dime. Otherwise, you can install the browser Comodo Dragon, a more secure version of Chrome, and then during the installation it will ask you if you want to use their custom DNS. By default, it will recommend you only use their DNS when you're using the browser and the process is running. They also have the option to globally use their secure DNS for your IPv4 connection. I highly recommend using their DNS globally if you don't like OpenDNS. Alternatively, like BIGBEARJEDI recommended, Google's DNS is always available for your public use.
 

pstein

Extraordinary Member
Ok, thank you all for the answers.

I accept the fact that I cannot mix static IPs with dynamic DNS servers.

However I wonder why this is the case.

There is no logical reason why DNS servers must be static if computer IPs are static.
Maybe its one of these stupid inventions at the time of Windows 3.11

:)

Thanks
Peter
 

Neemobeer

Cloud Security Engineer
Staff member
It actually makes perfect sense. The process by which a computer dynamically learns the DNS server(s) address is through DHCP, so if you have a static IP address assigned there is no way for your computer to dynamically learn DNS server addresses.
 
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