I think he said it wasn't from the drivers themselves but from the installation. If you have a problematic driver you won't be automatically downloaded from Windows update. They'd prefer to wait until they can update those drivers. But if you absolutely have to have it, you can download it anyway at the download center. Is somebody doing some double talk there? If it's not something wrong with the drivers, and just from installation, then why do we have to update those drivers ??? Did somebody get that ? You know it's not exactly true, about security. There have been several spy programs that would have gotton through Windows Defender, my Webroot caught them. I can think of one spy program that goes right through, (Protoscan) Medium Security Risk. I'd have to check my logs to get the others.