I think, perhaps, cmn would be a little too sensitive to find "you aren 't really helping at all. ...etc" rude. Maybe a little pointed, but it was a fair straightforward question, which resulted in quite a long complicated reply. Perhaps, in turn, reaper could have considered the "lecture" also rude.? You can give me a demerit point for that - lol. But, more to the thread. Reaper. I am using a high spec, but three year old, Laptop for Beta testing . It has a built in Marvell 888E8055) Ethernet and a Intel 3945ABG. Both, used alternately, work 100% in the 64Bit and 32Bit versions of Windows 7. Both were installed automatically on installaion, and I have received automatic updates for the Yukon on two occasions. I have since disabled the YUkon. I have a tendency to accept what I find, if they work, so cannot help beyond that, other than I work through a Linksys router, also old .