Re: Best Practice Reminder for Betas!! They will still do it, Drew. I am on another site where they are busy finding ways to eliminate the watermark (easily done). But to what purpose. The same site will undoubtedly come up with a way to circumvent expiry and/or activation and the members will be using the Beta as there finished OS for a while yet. As an aside. For Mike or Kemical. I can see there is not a great deal of enthusiasm - yet - to comment on Windows 8.1. However, I drifted into the thread, once again, "Why do people hate the new start screen". I found that it now has posts discussing Windows 8.1. Perhaps time to start a separate section on Windows 8.1. There are differences, albeit small, and the less experienced members seeking help might be confused by the differing help offered?