Windows 10 boot menu problem

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I have dual boot windows 10 and windows 7 setup. windows 10 is the main system. windows 7 is a hard drive taken from old broken laptop. I used bcdedit to set it boot up. windows 7 banner start up for 2 seconds then system would power off and restart. I wanted to see what was loaded on the system so I used windows 7 repair disc to make it start. The repair disc 'says could not automatically repair the system.. Then I restart the system.

now the windows blue flash windows icon would come but then screen turn black, system stay on, nothing happens, hit any key on keyboard, push power button on computer case, screen still black. the power button on computer case would not turn off system. this stay long time, then the blue boot menu come on. windows 10 would load slightly slower than usual.

how to fix this issue ?
 
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Hi

Are you saying that you can boot into Windows 10, but slowly as if something is interfering?
Once you are booted into W10 do things work, can you open and run software etc.?

If that's the case this is just what I'd try, I'm just going by past experience, if you can run stuff in Windows 10, I'd download and install EasyBCD because the graphical interface makes it a lot easier for me to understand what's going on.

If when you open it, you can see both your Windows 7 and Windows 10 operating systems, make sure Windows 10 is in position number 1, and set as the default OS.

Tell it you don't want to see a boot menu, and remove the Windows 7 option from the boot menu.
Say OK, and shut down and unplug the Widows 7 drive from the mother...
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I appears you have individual installs of Windows 7 and Windows 10. We need more information, such as are both OSes installed in Legacy Mode?

If you altered the BCD Store to get Windows 7 to boot it might be advisable for you to post a listing of your BCD store in case we can see anything.
 
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Hi

Are you saying that you can boot into Windows 10, but slowly as if something is interfering?
Once you are booted into W10 do things work, can you open and run software etc.?

If that's the case this is just what I'd try, I'm just going by past experience, if you can run stuff in Windows 10, I'd download and install EasyBCD because the graphical interface makes it a lot easier for me to understand what's going on.

If when you open it, you can see both your Windows 7 and Windows 10 operating systems, make sure Windows 10 is in position number 1, and set as the default OS.

Tell it you don't want to see a boot menu, and remove the Windows 7 option from the boot menu.
Say OK, and shut down and unplug the Widows 7 drive from the mother board.

Reboot.

If everything boots up and runs normally, then shut it off, plug the Windows 7 drive back in, and boot up again.
You shouldn't see any difference from the last time, it will just boot into Windows 10.

Now if you need to also run Windows 7, open EasyBCD and add Windows 7 back in as the second operation system.

Select show boot menu and reboot again.

You should get a boot menu asking which OS you want to boot into.
This part hasn't always worked for me, but you can access the boot menu through what ever key brings up boot options on your computer.

Maybe you'll get some better ideas here but that's what I've got.

Mike
 
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There is no problem with boot menu item. The problem is the menu and system load slow.

here is list of boot items from easyBCD

There are a total of 2 entries listed in the bootloader.

Default: Windows 10
Timeout: 30 seconds
Boot Drive: C:\

Entry #1
Name: Windows 10
BCD ID: {current}
Drive: C:\
Bootloader Path: \WINDOWS\system32\winload.exe

Entry #2
Name: Windows 7
BCD ID: {a92fdefc-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
Device: unknown
Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe



Windows 7 was installed on the drive when it was on the laptop. I did not reinstall it when I plug it on this PC. I forced it to run after I added it to boot menu. The problem came after I used a repair disc to make it run.
 
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I can't tell you anything from what you posted above except you have a Legacy install. A real BCDedit / enum all readout would have been better. You can always port it to a text file and just attach that.

If it isn't the boot menu, which it still could be, did you allow the Windows 7 system to replace the original drivers with ones on the new system? Could the drive be having problems? Try disconnecting the Windows 10 drive and see how the system boots.

This is from my only Legacy system with just the one OS.

 
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Here is the result. how can I tell it is legacy install ?

C:\WINDOWS\system32>bcdedit /enum all

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
resumeobject {cca81d47-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
displayorder {current}
{a92fdefc-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30
displaybootmenu Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {54562193-e071-11e2-83be-9534fbf94502}
device ramdisk=[unknown]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{54562194-e071-11e2-83be-9534fbf94502}
path \windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows Recovery Environment
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
displaymessage Recovery
displaymessageoverride Recovery
osdevice ramdisk=[unknown]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{54562194-e071-11e2-83be-9534fbf94502}
systemroot \windows
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard
winpe Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {80c94418-3777-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
device ramdisk=[C:]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{80c94419-3777-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
path \windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows Recovery Environment
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
displaymessage Recovery
osdevice ramdisk=[C:]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{80c94419-3777-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
systemroot \windows
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard
winpe Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {a92fdefc-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
device unknown
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 7
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence {a92fdefd-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
integrityservices Enable
recoveryenabled Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
osdevice unknown
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {a92fdefb-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {a92fdefd-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
device ramdisk=[unknown]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{a92fdefe-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
path \windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows Recovery Environment
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
displaymessage Recovery
displaymessageoverride Recovery
osdevice ramdisk=[unknown]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{a92fdefe-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
systemroot \windows
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard
winpe Yes

Windows Setup
-------------
identifier {cbd971bf-b7b8-4885-951a-fa03044f5d71}
device ramdisk=[C:]\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\winre.wim,{519a323b-37e2-11e5-829f-00268312af8f}
path \windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows Rollback
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
osdevice ramdisk=[C:]\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\winre.wim,{519a323b-37e2-11e5-829f-00268312af8f}
systemroot \windows
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard
winpe Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=C:
path \WINDOWS\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 10
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence {f91251e8-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
recoveryenabled Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
osdevice partition=C:
systemroot \WINDOWS
resumeobject {cca81d47-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {f91251e8-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
device ramdisk=[C:]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{f91251e9-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
path \windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows Recovery Environment
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
displaymessage Recovery
displaymessageoverride Recovery
osdevice ramdisk=[C:]\Recovery\WindowsRE\Winre.wim,{f91251e9-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
systemroot \windows
nx OptIn
bootmenupolicy Standard
winpe Yes

Resume from Hibernate
---------------------
identifier {2a33fc4d-3775-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
device partition=C:
path \WINDOWS\system32\winresume.exe
description Windows Resume Application
locale en-US
inherit {resumeloadersettings}
recoverysequence {80c94418-3777-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
recoveryenabled Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
filedevice partition=C:
filepath \hiberfil.sys
bootmenupolicy Standard
debugoptionenabled No

Resume from Hibernate
---------------------
identifier {8eba3b65-2dfc-11e3-bf0f-f46d0440ca57}
device partition=C:
path \windows\system32\winresume.exe
description Windows Resume Application
locale en-us
inherit {resumeloadersettings}
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
filedevice partition=C:
filepath \hiberfil.sys
bootmenupolicy Standard
debugoptionenabled No

Resume from Hibernate
---------------------
identifier {a92fdefb-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
device unknown
path \Windows\system32\winresume.exe
description Windows Resume Application
locale en-US
inherit {resumeloadersettings}
recoverysequence {a92fdefd-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
recoveryenabled Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
filedevice unknown
filepath \hiberfil.sys
bootmenupolicy Standard
debugoptionenabled No

Resume from Hibernate
---------------------
identifier {cca81d47-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
device partition=C:
path \WINDOWS\system32\winresume.exe
description Windows Resume Application
locale en-US
inherit {resumeloadersettings}
recoverysequence {f91251e8-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
recoveryenabled Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
filedevice partition=C:
filepath \hiberfil.sys
bootmenupolicy Standard
debugoptionenabled No

Windows Memory Tester
---------------------
identifier {memdiag}
device partition=C:
path \boot\memtest.exe
description Windows Memory Diagnostic
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
badmemoryaccess Yes

EMS Settings
------------
identifier {emssettings}
bootems No

Debugger Settings
-----------------
identifier {dbgsettings}
debugtype Serial
debugport 1
baudrate 115200

RAM Defects
-----------
identifier {badmemory}

Global Settings
---------------
identifier {globalsettings}
inherit {dbgsettings}
{emssettings}
{badmemory}

Boot Loader Settings
--------------------
identifier {bootloadersettings}
inherit {globalsettings}
{hypervisorsettings}

Hypervisor Settings
-------------------
identifier {hypervisorsettings}
hypervisordebugtype Serial
hypervisordebugport 1
hypervisorbaudrate 115200

Resume Loader Settings
----------------------
identifier {resumeloadersettings}
inherit {globalsettings}

Device options
--------------
identifier {519a323b-37e2-11e5-829f-00268312af8f}
description Windows Setup
ramdisksdidevice partition=C:
ramdisksdipath \$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\boot.sdi

Device options
--------------
identifier {54562194-e071-11e2-83be-9534fbf94502}
description Windows Recovery
ramdisksdidevice unknown
ramdisksdipath \Recovery\WindowsRE\boot.sdi

Device options
--------------
identifier {80c94419-3777-11e3-8f93-dc4e03c72eed}
description Windows Recovery
ramdisksdidevice partition=C:
ramdisksdipath \Recovery\WindowsRE\boot.sdi

Device options
--------------
identifier {87758bc0-374f-11e3-bf3c-00268312af8f}
description Windows Setup
ramdisksdidevice partition=C:
ramdisksdipath \$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\boot.sdi

Device options
--------------
identifier {a92fdefe-e05a-11e2-9b1d-00268312af8f}
description Windows Recovery
ramdisksdidevice unknown
ramdisksdipath \Recovery\WindowsRE\boot.sdi

Device options
--------------
identifier {f91251e9-3804-11e5-9fe7-d66e23a13c35}
description Windows Recovery
ramdisksdidevice partition=C:
ramdisksdipath \Recovery\WindowsRE\boot.sdi

C:\WINDOWS\system32>
 
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It is going to take me a while to go through all the entries, but I can tell you now, a Windows 7 OS Loader entry does not use the Bootmenupolicy entry. Windows 8 and 10 use the Standard version, but Windows 7 is either Legacy or not there.

Once that is done, the GUI menu will usually show up if Window 10 is set as primary system.

You can tell it is a Legacy install because you are using Winload.exe instead of Winload.efi

Edit: You also have that DisplayBootMenu entry in the Boot Manger... not sure it should be there either.

You are showing Device as Unknown on the Windows 7 path. I think it should show the partition shown for the Windows 7 OS partition when booted into Windows 10, but not completely sure.
 

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I installed windows servers 2016 preview on the windows 7 drive. Windows 7 was essential to load here because I just wanted to try to see it really would load this way, since it take too much trouble then I don't need it anymore and I did not expect the problem come.

I thought put a windows install similar to windows 10 would bring a boot menu so I put server 2016 preview. But it did not fix the problem.

I also found out that the command to fix bootloader in windows 10.

bootsect /nt60 c:

still same. any idea?
 
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That command is for changing an XP boot system to a Windows Vista/7/8/10 boot system. If you weren't getting a message about a missing NTLDR you did not need to run it, but it did not hurt.

Considering the changes you made, it appears you are on your own... Maybe Mike will be able to help.
 
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