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Discussion in 'Desktop Customization' started by NormlGuy, Jan 13, 2009.
Dude, I'm so tired of you.
With their global market share dropping bellow 90% in last year and global recession i don't think Microsoft can afford to potentially loose up to 15% users because of a trivial thing like not including something like classic start menu. We people are creatures of habits. When someone has used a windows feature for 10+ years not having it can potentially totally disrupt their work process. People don't care how intuitive new start menu is all they want to do is work as they did for 10 years and are used to it. And including classic start menu is the least they can so. They even included classic Win2k/XP theme in Win 7 can't see why not classic start menu. And anyway, why does someone else using classic start menu bother YOU so much? Noone forces *you* to use it. I don't care what you do nor do i want to tell you what to do. It's your right to use the new menu, but *please* for the love of god respect my and others wish and let us work as we're used for all those years. I use Vista atm but i'm at the verge of going back to Win XP after a year using it. I have no problems whatsoever reverting back to Win XP instead of upgrading to Win 7 next year.
Overmannus, this is exactly what I'm talking about! Perfect post dude. Thumbs up! Way to support those of us whom have used Windows for many, many years. As a System Admin and Network Engineer, I need to get work done fast. I don't need this stupid new menu slowing me down. Thanks a lot Microsoft.
No offense to you post and opinion of the New Start menu and I'm sure you're well aware of my stance on the Start Menu. You are exactly right on the incompatibility issue. However, could you give me some examples as to what features they have removed? And, what does the Start menu have to do with background processes?
Well reghckr Software Explorer portion of Windows DefenderWindows Meeting SpaceInkBallClassic Start Menuand then smaller details like: numeric keypad from on screen keyboardRemovable Storage ManagerThose are a few i am aware of things that were in VISTA that have been removed in 7. The background process thing is very minimal but if you wanted to get down to the nanosecond difference there would be one. Its not noticeable though! Not once have i said i do not respect your wishes. I am just making the case for microsoft. If you read a page back my post its says at the end that everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect that. I hope thats not what you consider disrespect. I respect everyones opinion and have never not. Please understand i make a case for microsoft as their was no opposition in this post. The goal was to provide reason behind them removing it. Obviously i was unsuccessful in doing so. Please do not criticize others for stating their opinion.
iroken22, No disrespect was ever indicated in any way, shape, or form to you or any other member of this forum and I'm not criticizing anyone for their opinion. You really didn't have to include the quote as I'm fully aware of that and my intention (as you stated in a previous post (was not to get into a fistfight) I fully understand they're not going to implement it and accept that fact. . I was simply asking what features were removed. What brought my attention to your post was: Your answer didn't really contain any information regarding the Start menu itself. You talked about background processes and then in you follow up post you state that
From what i read on Microsoft's Windows 7 beta forums it's not yet decided if classic menu will be included in future beta version and final version or not. So there is still hope.
For those still complaining about the lack of a Classic start menu lemme ask you this. If speed and simplicity are so important to you, and you refuse to change, why not just stick with Xp. Its obviously gonna be faster than any new OS coming out and has your silly classic menu. Some of us however, want new features like the new start menu and we want all the old outdated/useless features gone so they don't take up space.
Yes, because classic start menu takes up so much of your precious space it's omfgunbeliavable!
reghckr only the first half of that post was aimed at you. I thought i had included "To all others". Obviously i didnt and i apologize.
No problem. Did you happen to check out the optionalfeatures function? Quite a lot of interesting information there, wouldn't you agree?
No by it self it doesn't, but combined with other outdated things it removes quite a bit.
Back to the Windows 3.1 Analogy. When they released Windows 95, they through out most of the UI, code, etc, of Windows 3.1. The interfaces made more sense, and Microsoft forced people to move on. I am not in love with the new Start Menu, but it is definitely an improvement. Things die and new improved things come out. This is the natural cycle. People complain about every new improvement. It's human nature to grasp onto what is comfortable, not necessarily the best. Personally, I like the OS X interface the best.
I agree, give me back the Windows 2000 Professional look with the added security benefits of Windows 7. You might be interested in this posting on CNET: What scares me about Windows 7 | The Digital Home - CNET News Here's a partial quote from that posting regarding Security: I used to work for PCTools and can assure you they are a highly regarded company and has grown phenomenally from the day they started. They are the largest software development corporation in Australia. Their software is sold in all major computer and office stores such as Best Buy, Circuit Ci (forget that one), Office Max, even Walmart and Target. And, as with any OS, how long do you think it will take hackers (ethical or harmful) to find holes in Windows 7? Do I see Windows 7 security updates and Hotfix patches for this OS...definately. For those of you who prefer the Classic Start menu, would you please help me out at this poll, where I am the only member that has voted for the Classic menu: http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-discussion/1876-classic-vs-new-start-menu.html Before anyone starts lambasting me for this post, as the senior members say....Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Classsic Start Menu............ Hey Windows 7 Users I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Downloaded From MSDN...... About Classic Start Menu You can't expect every thing at your disposable, microsoft has stopped Spoon Feeding ha ha ha... So if you want any thing you have to make it your self web surfing & information about classic start menu is helpless as i tried 4 days then i decided to use my Logic and i deployed the Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit ISO image using n-Lite during deploying ii had Vista Ultimate 64 Bit.... In n-Lite you will come to know all hidden keys for enabling and disabling feature of Windows.... that will help you to make your own custome selection in class of windows appearance;windows behaviour;windows settings;windows default softwares.... I did so and selected classic menu and reconstructed the ISO and burned on DVD using MagicISOMaker and it worked for me..... now i have got Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit with quick launch,classic start menu, efficient power saver profile...
Excellent, I know of nlite, but never used it. I don't know how it pulled off the Classic shell feature as that takes one registry hack and the Classic Shell information is embedded in the shell32.dll file. If nlite can modify that, that's very impressive. Could you check the size of the shell32.dll file for me? Is it 11.5 MB (12,153,856 bytes) and is the version 6.1.700.0?
Well to jump in on this topic I should point out that I have a great number of clients over the age of 65 including a wonderful little old lady who used to shoot down enemy aircraft in England during WWII. A number of them use Vista but prefer the classic menu style because it is what they are used to and DO NOT like things to change simply because they are having a difficult enough time remembering what they have already managed to learn. As technically savy people we sometimes forget that although we love cutting edge technology there is still a part of our population that is not so comfortable with change that deserve better then to be left behind or left out in our ever demanding need for change. I have often told these people that there is always more then one way of doing things in Windows and none of them are the absolutely correct way of doing it. You do it the way you can remember to do it. Taking away those options does not take into consideration those of use who will be very uncomfortable with the change. Personally I like the new menu but that little old lady from England freaks when a desk top icon is not where it is suppose to be.
Personally, I love the classic menu, it is what I use and I love it very much Compared to this oversized piece of real estate.
Those are two completely different resolutions. Anything looks big at the low res of that vista pic. On a decent res it doesn't take up much space at all.
okay i have a few things to say about the argument.. i'm sure a lot of people complained about this so their is a chance and optional classic star menu will be included in final relese *or optional download from microsoft *or update second of all it dosent matter arguing if you have to have you precious star menu so badly use windows xp.. no one is forcing you to use windows 7.. thats it