This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista. - Windows 8 ForumsDidn't say new necessarily meant better; different, maybe, better? Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But, time & computing technology marches on & OSs fade into history... that is just plain fact & a little acceptance goes a long way.
Had no social media (never touch the stuff) or frilly junk in mind.
And Win8 is far too superior to Vista to be another Vista.
And Win8 is far too superior to Vista to be another Vista.
And Vista is far too superior to WinME to be another WinME? This is what is known as "FLAWED LOGIC"! Microsoft is notorious for enforcing trends; An example is the lack of British spell-check in Windows live mail. We are forced to use the American spell check and MS says that should we want British spelling then there is a way to merge it with the American dictionary?????? We as end users want the OPTIONS to be available to us. MS does not want us to have options and has gone the way of Big brother. If Win7 had retained the option of Classic Menus then I for one would be a very happy end user.And Win8 is far too superior to Vista to be another Vista.
You fail to mention the total lack of "Intuition" that is inherent in Win8. Most people who faced Ribbon and Win8 were totally at a loss and not to mention frustrated.Continuing to use XP, @ least, much longer, is being one's own enemy. If, I have to articulate all the many reasons why, I'm not sure there's enough time or ink. Which is not to say anything bad toward it... it is/was good but, it's time has passed. I liked it, too, but... I liked my grandmother who was a fine person, too. Not very relevant, now.
Now, I'll try (not sure why) to address 'tanzanos', again. Your analogy to suggest "flawed logic" is flawed. If, you want to try to put ME (yuck) in the same basket as Vista, that's a bit unfair but, be that as it may... the point was, ppl bad mouth Vista & if, one wants to say Vista had issues & bash it, that Windows8 is so much better than Vista, that to say, as was said in the earlier post, Win8 is or will be another Vista is not a valid statement. Win8 is very much superior to Vista on many levels & for many reasons. To not realise or see this shows a large lack of understanding or knowledge of Windows8.
To rant against the "metro UI" is downright silly. To write off, carte blanche, Windows8 over that screen is even sillier. In the 'big picture', relative to the rest of the OS, it's about as important as the 1st, outer layer of an onion's skin. I'm quite sure I've said this before, already but, still, I'll repeat it...
There only time I see it is @ start-up as I pass through it on the way to Desktop. Don't use it, don't need it, don't need to care about it or consider it a big, upsetting, bother. Live on & work from the good ole Desktop. The Start screen is not a big deal... UI = User Interface but, I doesn't even get used! Occasionally, I may use it to Search for something, though even that is not necessary...can do just as well Searching from Desktop. Or might go there to remove some tile for something that there is no need to have its tile there. Why get hung up over something that needn't be used? Makes no sense & bashing an extremely good OS over that 1 initial unneeded screen, makes no sense. There is a hell of a lot of good under the onions 1st meaningless, don't-need-to-use-it screen.
To condemn & ignore Windows8 because of its Start screen is grossly unfair & narrow-minded & not looking below or beyond the first layer of the onion or discover how to work w/out that screen... it IS possible, there IS the choice. I & others do it all day, everyday. & not cus we let it upset us but, cus can't justify bothering w/ it.
As for the language issue, as a Canadian, I fully agree. Windows8 can be in a huge number of languages. But, yes, when it comes to English, it does not, in terms of Spell Check use proper English but, rather American; and American spelling is not King's English. As a Canadian (w/ British background) I can, certainly, empathise. It is true, it does not offer the distinction between (proper) English & American (spellings).
There is, oft times, too much of a knee-jerk impulse to bash MS & MS products arbitrarily as if it's done just cus it's the cool, hip thing to do. Admittedly, sometimes it applies quite validly, like towards ME & Win7 was an improvement over Vista. Everything is relative. But, when ppl stop getting their vision blocked or clouded by the silly Star screen, maybe they could learn that there is a damn good OS under it. One that is better than even & & certainly better than Vista. And once ppl stop treating the damn Start screen like it's the be all & end all Windows8 likely will not be "a flop", @ all.
I'll have to help my clients w/ it so I'm glad I have not looked @ it w/ blinders on or a chip on my should or w/ prejudice or w/out looking below or beyond the surface. A good, open-minded attitude, plus using it non-stop since February has given me (& others) greater insight & awareness to its value & virtues than otherwise.
It seems that you are the exception Perhaps if you checked the thread in "general discussions - This will be microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than-vista". There you will read the opinions of IT professionals and others. Cheers mate and have a good dayOh, 'tanzanos', BTW, I am an IT Pro... I own an IT consulting & support company. Anyone think I'm the only, such (industry) person, who doesn't see Windows8 as a 100% negative?
Bad to make assumptions & there's always exceptions.
Many of us have been using Classic Shell for 8, for quite sometime now.I just found out that CLASSIC SHELL is now available for Win8 and this alone will be the criteria for me to make the step in the FAR future.
Absolutely not. I simply could not work with win7 UI until I installed Classic Shell. I cannot use ribbon nor MACs simply because everything is hidden and is not intuitional. When win95 first came out I did not even have to go through a learning curve as everything was so intuitive and logical that navigating was very easy. When drop down menus were replaced with Ribbon and the new start menu of win7 lacked the classic start menu I was at a loss. Call me stupid (my first computer was the ZX80 and have owned a plethora of computers since then.) I have patents to my name and am a products designer by trade. Sorry but I simply cannot understand the hide and seek concept first introduced by Apple and then adopted by MS.tanzanos
Many of us have been using Classic Shell for 8, for quite sometime now.
And, if that's what it takes for you to dip in to Windows 8, no offense but, it sounds like you've been judging a book by it's cover.
I agree that we must change everything so let us start by getting rid of the RETRO round wheel and redesign the all new SQUARE wheel; Perfect for parking your car, has built in micro processed dampening mechanism, gyroscopic stabiliser, Y axis dampening, and comes in cool candy colours.Your missing the point & simply balking @ change itself. Change (nothing to do w/ Win8 or Windows 29) is part of existence but, many humans balk @ it... not, actually the item that has changed. And (the point is) Windows8, on a regular desktop PC or laptop, works very nicely w/out adding anything retro, just so you know.
I'll let others have the thread, now
Agreed Randy.. Microsoft does not have an os that covers all the hardware bases until now.. It's simply addressing the balance. If one doesn't like the os then one has the right to not buy or indeed use it.......This OS is nothing more than a drive by Microsoft for cross platform acceptance and identity.
Particularly interesting was something from Neil Tucker in the form of question, regarding Windows 8 Uptake Slows for Third Straight Month.Should I remind you that Microsoft is by all definitions a MONOPOLY and as such does not allow us to have an equivalent choice? If MS was not a monopoly and there were 3 or more OS developers out there with OSs then it would have been a different story. Of course they would all have to have some form of standardisation but market forces would come into play and allow the consumer something which is noticeably lacking; Namely "CHOICE"!
To which I responded:Neil Tucker said:Interesting statistics Mike. Do you agree with the explanations in the article (shift to tablets / problems with UI) for the reasons for this slow pace of acceptance?
Source: Gregg Keizer, CIO.comGregg Keizer said:Last weekend, U.S. retailer Best Buy kicked off a two-week deal that discounted touch-enabled Windows 8 PCs by $100. Both Windows XP and Windows 7 returned to their usual trends, with XP losing half a percentage point to end February at 39% of all personal computers, or 42.6% of Windows-only machines. Meanwhile, Windows 7 gained under one-tenth of a point to climb to 44.6% of all PCs and 48.6% of all Windows PCs.