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  1. NaiyaShamiso

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    You talk about how you don't have a virus scanner, and you don't have any viruses. How do you know? There is not software on your computer that will tell you if you do or don't. It is a blatant disregard of safety to run a Windows based computer with out an AV. I know what I am going to buy you for Christmas, a huge canvas sign that says "Come rape my computers and network". This is the kind of thinking that lets the crap on the net keep running around. Worms hitting this and that, and then infecting other sub-networks. Basic networking 101, if you are connected to the web, then you are connected to every computer in the world that is connected to the web. Irresponsable and careless, is a good way to put it. Then you want to rip out core software form the OS. An even worse idea. Think of it this way, if you put a drunken monkey in a car and tell him to drive, that is dangerous. If you put a drunken monkey in a car tell him to drive and blind fold every one standing in a two mile radius, that is stupid. That is exactly what you are doing when you rip things out of the OS. Just because the exe is gone, or you use remove windows components, doesn't mean that it is gone. It leaves stuff behind that are used by other things. Taking out IE completely would kill, desktop wallpapers, 1/2 to 3/4 of the explorer, not to mention a lot of the update and help components. It makes me hot when people talk about just not using simple common since and protecting them self in some form or fashion. You talk about the MSRT, that is a joke. Ray Charles could find more male-ware then that can.
     
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  2. Andrea Borman

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    On Windows 7,I have deleted only the Internet Explorer web browser. But other things like the registry keys and Windows Explorer,no. I did not touch those because if I did then,there would be problems. I don't have any anti virus software.

    So even though I may have removed one Internet Explorer program file on C/drive,other files must still be there. As even when you uninstall programs like Firefox,in uninstall a program. You don't really get rid of the program completely.As the registry has programs,such as Netscape that I used to use, but uninstalled months ago. And there are still files of programs that I uninstalled ages ago,that on my computer.And many files are hidden anyway.

    But it is very risky to alter or delete registry keys,so I just leave them and don't alter or delete anything on the registry.

    But my Windows Defender and Malicious Software Removal Tool-MRT scans on both Windows 7 and Windows XP showed no computer virus or malware. So if Windows Defender and MRT says I don't have any malware or virus,then I don't have any. Andrea Borman.
     
  3. nmsuk

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    Your Joking right? You actually trust windows defender to keep your machine clean of all viri. Your computer could have viri, Trojans etc and you wouldn't even know it. Please if not for yourself but for the netizens of the web install an AV.
     
  4. Andrea Borman

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    Well,a few months ago,Windows Defender saved me,when I downloaded amsn,a clone of MSN Mesenger. It detected Open Candy which is adware, see this link here-Encyclopedia entry - Learn more about malware - Microsoft Malware Protection Center

    And Windows Defender gave me an alert as soon as the file was downloading and asked me if I wanted to clear system,remove the file from my computer and system 32. Of course I let Windows Defender do it's job and remove it for me. According to the Microsoft website Open Candy is a low threat, but it is adware and must not be on your computer. But Windows Defender picked it up and removed it.And my computer was clear after Windows Defender did it's job. So Windows Defender does scan for and remove spyware. Andrea Borman.
     
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  5. NaiyaShamiso

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    That's ad-ware not spy-ware, and sure as hell not any where near a virus or trojin. So you don't use amsn now, when there are hundreds of thousands of users world wide. They have antivirus and antispy-ware software that is better than that crap Defender, and none of it finds it as a threat even worth wasting time worrying it about. You can say what ever you want to about how bad they are, but in reality these people are the ones that saved Microsoft from themself. That Defender you love so much was completely helpless against the conflicker virus. Conflicker killed all communication to Microsoft. That meant no updates from Microsoft at all. Then the software that Microsoft did put out to fight it, left out so many of the places that it uses to hide out of the definition, leaving you still at risk of getting it. The worst thing you can do is get rid of the exe for a software. That leaves you open to a Benedict Arnold attack. This is a type of virus that can add an exe file, because the original was removed, and then run itself at any time with out the user knowing it. It is not a widely used attack method, because most users are 1: not dumb enough to do that or 2: can't do that. I try not to say it, but in reality you have a year or maybe two years of working experience. I would say I am the youngest here, that is a senior member, and I only have 20+ years experience and one associates degree. I have worked and played with computers that the hardware would blow your mind, compared to the netbooks that you use. If you are going to talk about security like you know something about it, learn a little about it. That or leave the computer work up to the big boys like us that send our time working and slaving over it. Blood, sweat, and tears have been spent on this over out years. I have given up one marriage and multiple significant others in my search to be the best, the 1337 of computer technology and IT. It is people like you that make our jobs harder and make us work harder than needed.
     
  6. Andrea Borman

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    I have used Windows 7 since April 2010 when I bought my first computer,a Windows 7 Netbook. And apart from the fact that I found it so user friendly and easy to use,unlike Linux. It felt very secure and not only that Windows 7 is a very safe operating system. You have the option to set your network to home,office,or public network. And if you are using your laptop outside the home in coffee shops. If you set it to public network,it turns off all file and printer sharing.

    It is true that Windows XP is slightly less secure than Windows 7,because there is no option to set your network to home or public network. So if you use your laptop outside the home you have to turn off file and printer sharing manually,so that nobody can see your files.

    I don't use anti virus programs because I think they cause more problems than they solve. First a lot of them give false readings and they may tell me I have a virus when I don't have a virus. And may block access to programs that are not effected with a virus. Windows Defender scans for spyware and so does MRT-Malicious Software Removal Tool,but they do no do anything you don't want them to do. Unlike anti virus programs that take over your computer.

    On Windows 7 and Windows XP I don't use remote desktop connection,where you connect to your computer from another computer,like an Internet cafe. I don't use People Near Me,which is on Windows 7,which is like Windows meeting space where you allow strangers to see your files on your computer and connect to it.I think that's what People Near Me is.

    And although I did use the Wifi in the hotel last time I went on holiday,it was secure but some of them are not. But I have got a mobile broadband usb stick T.Mobile,so I can connect to the Internet outside the home. But only I use that network as it is only for me. It is not public wifi that anybody can connect to. So I don't think it is likely that anyone can hack my computer.

    I do download a lot of software,web browsers and chat messengers,but I download them from reputable sites which are safe. I suppose I could be the unlucky one who gets the computer virus.But as I use my Windows XP and Windows 7 computers at home on a home network that only I can connect to,I am safe.

    And also on Windows XP and Windows 7,you don't have to have a password if you don't want one. Which is sheer heaven. Unlike on Linux where you have to log in with a password and enter it every time you do something on your own computer. That's one of the reasons why I stay with Windows. So I don't have a password on my Windows 7 or Windows XP computers.

    And on my Windows 7,User Account Control is permanently disabled.

    But in Internet cafes I have seen some computers that have AVG and McAfee site adviser. And every time you go onto Google it is intrusive an dictate to you in big text if a site is safe or not. And we are talking about normal sites like My Space and others that ARE SAFE. And it stopped you from getting onto sites,that are normal sites that are safe. I would not have such a program on my computer as it would be in my face the whole time.

    Both Windows XP and Windows 7 are safe operating systems. I think anti virus software is unnecessary. There are no viruses on Windows. Andrea Borman.
     
  7. nmsuk

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    That's a good thing and you don't need to type in your password for everything just when root access is needed.

    Foolish in the extreme. What happens if your machines get stolen? I'll tell you they have all your data that's stored no them that's what.

    As you don't have any AV, this could lead to you having something installed without you even realizing it's happened.

    Wrong. If you connect to the web anywhere your at risk.

    In your opinion they're safe. Most viri or computer attack Vectors are launched through social networks.

    Trust me I've been a system engineer for 20 years and if you came to the office and we found you'd connected without AV installed you'd be escorted off the premises. The same goes for my home network. No AV no NET no if or buts.

    When your out and about using public wifi your putting other users at risk which is selfish and totally unnecessary.
     
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  8. Andrea Borman

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    Yes,when I am away from home using my laptop in my hotel room,I should put a password on my laptop temporarily,in case the cleaners who go in my room get tempted to turn my laptop on and use it. I am not saying that would happen, but a password would stop anyone else but me from using my computer. And I could always remove the password when I get home.

    But I put the Do Not Disturb sign on the door of my room because I hate the cleaners going in my hotel room anyway.

    As for using my laptop in the office. Well,the office would have their own computers,so I would not be bringing mine to the office. But of course if you use an office computer,you are using someone else's computer,so I would have to use the software that's on there. If I like it or not. Possibly Internet Explorer because most offices don't put any other web browsers on there.

    But on your own computer it is different. And it is best not to use public wifi if you can help it, and use your computer at home. But sometimes that is not always possible. Unless you use your own mobile broadband like I have got-T.Mobile-but you cannot always get a signal in some places. Andrea Borman.
     
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  9. NaiyaShamiso

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    I have used Windows 7 since July of 2009, whats your point? The user friendliness/Backwards comparability is what makes Windows so insecure. You grossly misunderstand the security in Windows, and need to know that. Windows is a virus magnet. It was so bad Microsoft was even talking about implementing user mode drivers. This would have given users direct access to the hardware and in return opening up the chance that when you do get a virus it could kill hardware. I say when you get a virus/worm, because it will happen. NO MATTER WHAT EVERY WINDOWS USER WILL GET A VIRUS OR WORM AT SOME TIME. It is a fact, and there is nothing you can do about it. The fact of having a AV is not to just prevent getting a virus/worm, but fix it when you do. The different levels of networking is just an easy way to change network settings on the fly. Nothing more than that.

    XP and 7 are about par with it come to security. Though XP is a 10+ year old OS, so that is not saying a lot in it's favor.

    You are talking like you are virus annalist. The fact is that a lot of software titles use virus code in the source code and AVs ignore what program the code comes from. So in reality, it's not a false positive, it is just not what program it thinks it is. Yes Defender and MRT searches for male ware, not virus/worms. It does its best with the limited definition database that it has. On top of that there are much better titles out that do the same and more.

    RPD can only be used if you are running through a server, running third party software, or open ports on your router/are directly connected to they modem. If you use third party software they have secerity protocols in place. Running through a server should really only be done on a VPN, but possable with out. The third is just plain stupid and should never be done, even if you are only running a single computer house, always run with a router. It will not only stop most directed attacks, but can stop worms from getting to you. People Near Me.....I have never used it. Couldn't tell you if it is secure or not. Being that it comes from Microsoft I would say not.

    You are using mobile broadband, still WiFi, with a linger range. Uses the same IP addressing schemes as standard WiFi. The only difference is that it uses a PPP configuration and is harder to slip in the middle and alter the information that is gathered. If you use any kind of credit card or bank information, it will just take time to decrypt it. Being that information never changes, attackers have all the time in the world to get it. Just capture the packets and decrypt it latter. Bango Batman, I got bank account.

    Servers get cracked all the time. I remember on one occasion when, this is so freaking funny, ZoneAlarm was cracked. A bad copy of their free software was going around. It was downloaded from the ZoneAlarm web site. People kinda should have known though. I wouldn't download a firewall/antivirus/anti spyware with full definitions that was only 6 kilobytes. I am too young to remember when software was that small.

    Linux is for users that want something better than Windows. Linux is a great OS that runs like Windows Workstation/Windows Server/Unix and still have the ability to completely customize it 100%. I would have to say that any problems you are having must be a PEBKAC issue, caused by a ID10T error. If you know what I'm saying.

    UAC disabled......*sigh* What ever.

    Those sites are not safe. Most sites like facebook and my space are a breeding ground for virus attacks. There are even entire classes of virus/worms devoted to just social network sites.

    Nether XP nor 7 are safe. The should be treated like a troubled child on crack, staring at you with a lead pipe in their hand. Never leave Windows to fend for itself. That is a foolish move. God have mercy on your soul.

    As for using my laptop in the office. Well,the office would have their own computers,so I would not be bringing mine to the office. But of course if you use an office computer,you are using someone else's computer,so I would have to use the software that's on there. If I like it or not. Possibly Internet Explorer because most offices don't put any other web browsers on there.

    There I can tell you are a simpleton that uses computers as a hobby. People that do this as a career want to have their own computer with them at all times. It's not about what the IT there wants or what would be best for the company. It is all about that bottom line. I have seen companies go bankrupt because they wanted to violate the EULA on some Microsoft product, and got caught. Not my problem, I had signed documentation that I informed them about the violation and I was not to be held responsible. Before I installed any of the software I had the CEO, CFO, staffing, HR, and even the janitor sign it. Got me out of hot water a couple times. This same thing goes for other things in a business as well. IT seems to be the one department that get the shaft when it comes to funding. Look at the Hawaii college data leaks. Bad juju Batgirl.

    All of this together just goes to strengthen my position that you either need to get better training, or stop spreading your useless idea around. Risky behavior is bad if it be randomly hitting the mattress mambo with a complete stranger or running a computer with no AV. It is all the same, just I don't think computers can get herpes. I will leave you with this though, from a hikoo I take to heart very deeply.

    The master

    Seek out the master
    Find the master
    Walk with the master
    Learn from the master
    Surpass the master
    Become the master
    Seek the master
     
  10. OldTimer

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    I can't believe the crap that I'm seeing posted on this forum, by people who are mere children when it comes to computers.

    I'd get more intelligence by going down to the playground and listening to the little children at play.

    Would some moderator please close this thread?

    For anyone to say that they don't need good AV and AS protection when they go on the internet is the stupidest thing I've heard in years.
    Anyone with even half a brain knows that the internet is absolutely Awash in Malware. It only takes a few minutes for a totally unprotected computer, on the internet, to become infected with something.

    I not only use one program, but I use several, in layers, for absolute 100% protection. Every program requires some form of setup and if that setup is not done correctly, the program could be worse than worthless. As worthless as the word of someone who's only owned a computer for one year. Eh?

    If that's the best this forum has to offer, then I obviously need to find me another forum.
    I actually have many more that I'm welcome to go to, so I really don't know why I'm wasting my time here.

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    It's a matter of free speech, yours as well as everyone else. It's protected here, even if it's wrong. This isn't a crowded theater and no one is shouting fire. I remember a time when this type of thing didn't seem to bother you so much, no one is forcing their respective opinions or choices on anyone else.
    I don't know either.
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  12. OldTimer

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    That's absolute balony! I could rip out your password and access anything in your computer in a matter of seconds, as easily as I'd squash a bug with my foot. Wherever do you get your ideas?

    You are so naive it's not even funny.

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    Thank you I haven't laughed so much in ages. Finding this thread frustrating whatever advice we IT pro's give to you Andrea you ignore it. Which is your choice but we only do it as we enjoy helping people get the safest and most enjoyable experience when using their computers.
     
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    You could and so could I, but your average opportunistic thief wouldn't. Is a small step in the right direction too now if only we could get AV installed.
     
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    Thanks nmsuk, I thought it was funny, if I do say so myself LoL

    I am all for free speech, but the exchange of bogus information is just bad.

    *rolls up news paper and smack Andrea's nose* No...bad.

    I don't want people to read the posts on here and really believe that you can be safe without some sort of protection. Microsoft protection doesn't count. If it was the only thing available then I would say that is the best, but even just one other option and it is better.

    At the risk of this sounding pretentious, we should all strive to better ourselves and the people around us. I believe that is why we try to get Andrea to understand the truth about computing. I hope that she takes to heart the poem that I presented in my previous post. With this much knowledge in one place there is nothing that can't be done.
     
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    Methinks this thread should be closed and the whole thing deleted. Many of the posts are distasteful and not in keeping with the forum's character.
     
  18. Andrea Borman

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    But I really tried with Linux,but Linux is not user friendly. And the last time I tried to use it, I could not connect to the Internet on any brand of Linux that I tried. Not even on wired broadband,so I gave up on Linux. But if Linux was like Windows then I would use, it but of course it is not,it is completely different and more complicated to use. And you can get viruses on Linux just like you could on Windows. But the problem with Linux is it is difficult to install software from the Internet,as it does not just download and install like on Windows. So if the software you want is not in the package manager,then you cannot have it.

    In offices in England,well from the ones my friends work in,they don't let you bring your own computer in to use in their office. You have to use the office computers provided. And as well as having old operating systems(one office I know has got Windows 98 with IE6)their software is often out of date. And also in a lot of offices, sites like You Tube,Facebook and most sites are blocked because they want you to work not browse the Internet. My friend could not even read a news site at her office, because most websites are blocked by the office managers. So you cannot really surf the web at the office,you have to wait until you get home to your own computer to do that.

    But Windows is so user friendly,especially,Windows 7,that even a child can use it. And I get on with Windows better than Linux. And I would love to buy a Windows 2000 laptop to try Windows 2000 but they don't make Windows 2000 any more. And I cannot install other Windows operating systems myself. You know the problem,I don't have a Windows CD, and you cannot just download Windows 2000, or another version of Windows from the Internet. And you must activate Windows after you install it. Or it will go into restricted mode after 30 days. And I don't know how to install another operating system.

    But Windows Defender must be working and it is bundled with Windows. If it was so bad why is it bundled with Windows,so you cannot remove it? But I have never had any viruses on my Windows 7 or Windows XP. Andrea Borman.
     
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    It is so bad because it is the free version of the Anti-virus Microsoft puts out...At least I think they still put it out. Just because it is bundled with Windows doesn't mean it is any good, example INTERNET EXPLORER. It is imposable to remove IE, with out killing the OS. So many things depend on having IE support, if you use IE or not. The point that every one is trying to get you to see is that you don't know if you have a virus/worm. I would say you are safe from trogens, but you are using some back woods software so I'm not so sure of that either. Worms can get on your computer just by being on the same subnetwork as an infected computer. It dose not need your approval for anything, or have to let you know it is there. It can run solely out of cache or temp files. With out a spasificly antivirus program, that looks for things like this, you are at risk and put every one else at risk that is on your subnetwork. By the way, the mobile broadband that you like using, it had a huge range. So you are on the same subnetwork as every other user getting on with the same tower, hence you are putting them at risk of getting any thing that you have on your computer. So here in the US, with a T-Mobile user that would include any AT&T user as well. To boot, not the is not limited to computers, it includes smart phones as well. Can you see why we are so adamant about it?
     
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  20. Andrea Borman

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    But the T.Mobile broadband which is pay as you co broadband is only for when I take my laptop out of the house,away from home. Use it in coffee shops,in the park for example or when I go away on holiday. Although most hotels have public WiFi that you can use. But when I am at home I have BT broadband which is not mobile broadband but telephone broadband,through my telephone line. But that only works in the house,so the T.Mobile is only for outside the home.

    But as I said most places have WIFI but if I go some where that does not have WiFI then I have got the T.Mobile broadband usb stick. So now at home I am using telephone broadband not T.Mobile. Andrea Borman.
     

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