You are absolutely correct Joe it will not satisfy a lot of people as it will not contain a legacy start menu, but right clicking the new "Start Button" (probably should come up with another name for it) will provide a "Shutdown" and "Restart" option as part of the new "Power Users" menu. So I guess that is some progress at least.If it's just to toggle back and forth to the start screen they still aren't going to satisfy the people that want the traditional start button with programs and power buttons.
Joe
If it's just to toggle back and forth to the start screen they still aren't going to satisfy the people that want the traditional start button with programs and power buttons.
Joe
I've always find the start menu outcry a comical non-issue.
Technology changes over time. Those who don't adapt will go the way of the dinosaur. The fact is if you are a real productive person then you will make the best of whatever comes your way. If there is no start menu then learn to use the search function. In fact, the lack of a start menu has forced me to use the search function all the time now, and it is much much much faster to launch applications with the search menu than having to waddle through the start menu like I did before.
Reminds me of all the excuses I heard from students when I was a TA in grad school when they got bad scores. I always just smiled slightly and send them on their way, but what I really wanted to say every time I heard these excuses was "if you had studied, you would have done well on the exam regardless of if there were people talking outside, it was raining outside, or whatever".
No offense to people who can't live without the start menu. But if you were a real productive person you would have made the best of the new OS instead of whining about the start menu. I'm doing just fine without it. Plenty of people are doing just fine without it. Give the search function a chance.
Here's the thing, though. Windows 8 without metro and having a start menu is pretty much windows 7.Again this kind of mindset for me is completely ludicrous.
Yes operating systems change and adapt, if anyone wos used to that its me who uses linux and there are changes on it all the time.
Its the fact that change is being forced on people is where the true issue lays.
If you dont like metro but still want windows 8 tough, thats microsofts mindset.
Because people don't change unless they are forced to.I dont see why in the setup you cant choose between the classic session and metro, we do it all the time in linux why cant windows do it?
If you think Linux is better, then go for it. I believe in democracy and freedom. You can choose whatever you want.Once again this is where I say another operating system is better here, in linux you dont have to go fully out of your way to make it look the way you want it.
Windows 8? nah third party tools only, what a load.
I just simply don't agree that metro isn't for the desktop. I use both the desktop environment and metro on my desktop machine. I find both very easy to use on my desktop.No I am aware of failing PC sales and the reasoning for it.
As for Windows 7 I think it should still have been an option, let adapters make a choice.
But since windows 8 is being forced on the majority of new machines its an issue that is big for many.
Like my father who is used to things being a certain way.
Its all change for the sake of change, sure the market for tablets is growing but many are not willing to adapt to that market.
They want to use what they have and when what you have doesnt support a touchscreen then it becomes an issue when you face how bad metro is with a traditional setup.
Then it seems Microsoft want to take away your choice by not selling copies of windows 7 in stores.
Since no one know about alternatives like linux they are left in a confusing world that seems more geared for tablets and smart phones.
And once again yes things are headed that way, in few years time we can see devices who can cross from mobile device to a more traditional desktop interface by plugging it into your tv screen,.
Heck this is why Ubuntus edge project is actually a good idea.
There is such a gap between mobile and the desktop right now, if we can get something that can do all in the same device then fine but make it affordable.
But unless you are buying android cheap tablets are a little hard to come by and none of them rerally can compete with a full functioning desktop machine.
But right now theree is a gap and its a shame microsoft is more interested in trying to beat apple and android that its being blind to the audience that gave it all the money it has...
The desktop user and frankly when you do that you make linux look good, or apple for that matter.
Why? The desktop is still there. When I work in my office or at home, I spend most of my time in the desktop. You sound like the desktop is gone.No MS flopped by trying to have the same UI across the platforms, I use a desktop not a flippin phone.
And no I will contest windows 8 is terrible as a desktop OS.
Why? The desktop is still there. When I work in my office or at home, I spend most of my time in the desktop. You sound like the desktop is gone.
How is it tucked away and forgotten? All I do is type visual studio and it pops up. Or I type photoshop and it comes up.
I work regularly with autocad, photoshop, visual studio, microstation, and a whole host of other heavy duty desktop programs. Everything works fine for me.
Haha, this is getting funnier and funnier by the moment. I love the charms bar. I love the hot corners. On my desktop, all I do is move my mouse over to the upper right hand corner, down to the search button, and press. And voila search. This is much faster and more efficient than the cascading start menu.But you ignore all the side scrolling you have to do and the way you have to open the charms bar when using a mouse, you know that funny looking thing with the two buttons on top?
Why can't there be both, which is what 8 is designed to do? There are desktop apps (heavy duty ones at that) that I use regularly, like right now, and there are metro apps that I also like to use from time to time on my desktop and almost all the time on my hybrid.Now luckily this is addressed in 8.1 but metro as an apps menu is still very lacking, and there is still a gap between desktop app and metro app.
Again, this applies only to metro apps. It's pretty much the same as before with desktop apps. I don't know where the anger is coming from.Not to mention how much of it is a pain to close off apps in win8 when using a mouse.
How so? I currently have photoshop, 2 visual studio instances, gimp, MS word, and MS excel open right now. I'm using them all parallel to each other.Multitasking is a lot to be desired in windows 8, even android does it better.
Go ahead and use android for desktop if you want. As an experiment, I tried that for a couple months. You should, too.Heck maybe it is a good thing Microsft is faltering, when android can actually serve as a better desktop OS you know you did wrong.
And yes I have used android in a VM, it actually works a lot better as a desktop OS and its not even meant for that kind of market.
Sure android has side scrolling but android isnt being pushed into the desktop market now is it?
Haha, this is getting funnier and funnier by the moment. I love the charms bar. I love the hot corners. On my desktop, all I do is move my mouse over to the upper right hand corner, down to the search button, and press. And voila search. This is much faster and more efficient than the cascading start menu.
Well yes there is both on windows 8, that I am not contesting.Why can't there be both, which is what 8 is designed to do? There are desktop apps (heavy duty ones at that) that I use regularly, like right now, and there are metro apps that I also like to use from time to time on my desktop and almost all the time on my hybrid.
Again, your rhetoric make it sound like the desktop is gone for good and someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to work in metro environment.
Again, this applies only to metro apps. It's pretty much the same as before with desktop apps. I don't know where the anger is coming from.
How so? I currently have photoshop, 2 visual studio instances, gimp, MS word, and MS excel open right now. I'm using them all parallel to each other.
Did MS send a hitman to force you to work only in metro?
Go ahead and use android for desktop if you want. As an experiment, I tried that for a couple months. You should, too.
-Pain to close apps. How so? In the desktop environment, you press on that red box with an x in it. In metro, you slide from top to bottom. How's either of these a pain?
goodintentions nailed this one on the head. People hate any kind of change, it's just human nature. But of course change drives innovation which fuels market competition.