What are you guys talking about?? I've been running Win8 non-stop since 29/2 on a non-touch conventional desktop. I never use of visit the Win8 Start screen so impossible to make a problem of that screen. Win8 is working beautifully for me & many, many others, on regular PCs & laptops. Sorry but, the "big cel phone" label doesn't fit. It is not "useless" on a desktop, @ all. Does very nicely, actually.